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When Kiss played in the Cleveland area a couple of years ago, someone threw up a banner that said KISS Rock Hall - Vote Yes. Paul said "We dont need them to tell us we are in the hall. The 250 million albums we have sold world wide, tell us we are already in."
The reason we are not allowed to vote on the inductees is because we would pick the bands that have influenced us the most. The rock hall committee is made up of Rock critics, which is an Oxymoron. They have done there best to establish the unestablishable. The idea that rock music conforms to any one persons ideas is rediculous. Rock is rebelion against the establishment and somewhere down the line the committe has forgotten that. They are the same people who beleive music is a business, before art and expression
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jerryskid1
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| Geezer Butler mentioned on Eddie Trunk's show that it was a bunch of B.S. that Ronnie wasn't inducted into the hall of fame with Sabbath. |
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Milli Vanilli got a Grammy,Britney Spears got a Grammy.......
What is a award 
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| alitivity wrote: |
When Kiss played in the Cleveland area a couple of years ago, someone threw up a banner that said KISS Rock Hall - Vote Yes. Paul said "We dont need them to tell us we are in the hall. The 250 million albums we have sold world wide, tell us we are already in."
The reason we are not allowed to vote on the inductees is because we would pick the bands that have influenced us the most. The rock hall committee is made up of Rock critics, which is an Oxymoron. They have done there best to establish the unestablishable. The idea that rock music conforms to any one persons ideas is rediculous. Rock is rebelion against the establishment and somewhere down the line the committe has forgotten that. They are the same people who beleive music is a business, before art and expression |
Remember, kiddies:
Those that can, do.
Those that cannot, teach.
And those that cannot do or teach, become critics! 
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Dragon235
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hey, one of my career choices is to become a critic! lol.
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Several of Black Sabbath’s post-Osbourne albums - especially Heaven and Hell (1980), Mob Rules (1981) and Headless Cross (1989) - are highly regarded by hardcore fans. But when all was said and done, the classic lineup could not be bested. - As quoted by the Rock and roll hall of fame committee
What a bunch of BS! The origonal lineup could not be bested...thats a lot of crap. I guess only a small group of people are aware of the dominance that Dio has over Ozzy....sure Ozzy sold more albums but he had 8 albums to try! He did make some masterpieces like "Paranoid" and "Master of Reality" but also sure had some real flops such as "Technical Ecstacy" and "Never Say Die". Had Ronnie been around longer there is no doubt in my mind he would have outsold previous records and would probably be in the hall right now!
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He's in MY hall of fame. I could care less what that phoney organization thinks... 
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Maybe we should start our own committee called the Heavy Metal Hall of Fame, and right some of the wrongs done by the Rock Hall!!
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Magica Dragon
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| The thing is if you include Dio in the induction then why shouldn't Tonty Martin be in there? He sang on more Sabbath albums. Then what about Cozy Powell? He may not have been in Sabbath at a high point in their career but he was on as many studio albums as Ronnie. You can't say that one non-original member should be inducted then not another when they probably contributed just as much. Besides it makes more sense somehow, I can't explain why but they were the original lineup and are (generally) considered to have invented or atleast paved the way for heavy metal. I would much rather see Ronnie James Dio inducted for his work with various bands anyway (which isn't unlikely). |
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| The thing is if you include Dio in the induction then why shouldn't Tonty Martin be in there? He sang on more Sabbath albums. Then what about Cozy Powell? He may not have been in Sabbath at a high point in their career but he was on as many studio albums as Ronnie. You can't say that one non-original member should be inducted then not another when they probably contributed just as much. Besides it makes more sense somehow, I can't explain why but they were the original lineup and are (generally) considered to have invented or atleast paved the way for heavy metal. I would much rather see Ronnie James Dio inducted for his work with various bands anyway (which isn't unlikely). |
Thats exactly what they should do! The hall of fame inducted black sabbath, not ozzy. Therefor Black Sabbath's entire history should be on display. Not just the part the rock hall says was important. Sabbath had mulitiple band members and the whole story should be told. They will never induct Ronnie on his own. Even though his carreer has spannned almost five decades, because of the style of music he plays. Rock critics hate metal, especially mystical metal. Lets not forget that one of the biggest rock bands of all time are not in ( KISS ) because the critics just dont like their style of music. If they did get in though I dont think they would accept only Paul, Gene, Peter, and Ace. Gene and Paul have been very loyal to all the members of Kiss and would make sure they all were in.
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| The thing is if you include Dio in the induction then why shouldn't Tonty Martin be in there? He sang on more Sabbath albums. Then what about Cozy Powell? He may not have been in Sabbath at a high point in their career but he was on as many studio albums as Ronnie. You can't say that one non-original member should be inducted then not another when they probably contributed just as much. Besides it makes more sense somehow, I can't explain why but they were the original lineup and are (generally) considered to have invented or atleast paved the way for heavy metal. I would much rather see Ronnie James Dio inducted for his work with various bands anyway (which isn't unlikely). |
Thats exactly what they should do! The hall of fame inducted black sabbath, not ozzy. Therefor Black Sabbath's entire history should be on display. Not just the part the rock hall says was important. Sabbath had mulitiple band members and the whole story should be told. They will never induct Ronnie on his own. Even though his carreer has spannned almost five decades, because of the style of music he plays. Rock critics hate metal, especially mystical metal. Lets not forget that one of the biggest rock bands of all time are not in ( KISS ) because the critics just dont like their style of music. If they did get in though I dont think they would accept only Paul, Gene, Peter, and Ace. Gene and Paul have been very loyal to all the members of Kiss and would make sure they all were in. |
But if you induct everyone who's ever been a part of Sabbath then you'd probably end up with over 20 people being inducted which seems absoloutely stupid. Although I'm not a big fan of Ozzy I think The Rock Hall were right to be honest. Besides it means nothing. |
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| alitivity wrote: |
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| The thing is if you include Dio in the induction then why shouldn't Tonty Martin be in there? He sang on more Sabbath albums. Then what about Cozy Powell? He may not have been in Sabbath at a high point in their career but he was on as many studio albums as Ronnie. You can't say that one non-original member should be inducted then not another when they probably contributed just as much. Besides it makes more sense somehow, I can't explain why but they were the original lineup and are (generally) considered to have invented or atleast paved the way for heavy metal. I would much rather see Ronnie James Dio inducted for his work with various bands anyway (which isn't unlikely). |
Thats exactly what they should do! The hall of fame inducted black sabbath, not ozzy. Therefor Black Sabbath's entire history should be on display. Not just the part the rock hall says was important. Sabbath had mulitiple band members and the whole story should be told. They will never induct Ronnie on his own. Even though his carreer has spannned almost five decades, because of the style of music he plays. Rock critics hate metal, especially mystical metal. Lets not forget that one of the biggest rock bands of all time are not in ( KISS ) because the critics just dont like their style of music. If they did get in though I dont think they would accept only Paul, Gene, Peter, and Ace. Gene and Paul have been very loyal to all the members of Kiss and would make sure they all were in. |
But if you induct everyone who's ever been a part of Sabbath then you'd probably end up with over 20 people being inducted which seems absoloutely stupid. Although I'm not a big fan of Ozzy I think The Rock Hall were right to be honest. Besides it means nothing. |
They would not be inducting twenty people, they would still only be inducting one band, Black Sabbath. The individual achievements of each member is not included in the induction. Only what pertains to that particular band. So RJD with Rainbow or Dio wouldnt be included and that s Okay, but to exclude him from his place in Sabbath is to me anyway the absolutely stupid thing, And that goes for Ian Gillen, Ray Gillen and Tony Martin as well. They all deserve their place in history.
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| I didn't mean inducting twenty members for achievments outside of Black Sabbath. Just for their work with Iommi. Although people like Dio contributed to Sabbath and made great music they were just more musicians who joined Iommi (and mabe Butler). I read somewhere that "no-one after Ozzy was ever in Sabbath". That's actually partly true I think. The original lineup were the most succesful, are generally considered the best, founded/formed the band, released the most albums and at the time were the current active touring lineup. I think it was the right desicion. |
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| I didn't mean inducting twenty members for achievments outside of Black Sabbath. Just for their work with Iommi. Although people like Dio contributed to Sabbath and made great music they were just more musicians who joined Iommi (and mabe Butler). I read somewhere that "no-one after Ozzy was ever in Sabbath". That's actually partly true I think. The original lineup were the most succesful, are generally considered the best, founded/formed the band, released the most albums and at the time were the current active touring lineup. I think it was the right desicion. |
I dont have a problem with Ozzy being the focal point. I just beleive that the Band Black Sabbath had many faces and the whole story should be told. Its one thing not to invite everyone else to be inducted. Its entirely different to say they werent really part of sabbath because their version wasnt Sabbath. Like I said. Sabbath got inducted therefor the entire carreer of black sabbath should be highlighted. It was not Iommi's solo band it was Black Sabbath however some people would like to paint it that way. Iommi owns the Sabbath name so any incarnaton he sees fit to call Black Sabbath is still Sabbath. Ask David Gilmour who is Pink Floyd, I bet he doesnt say Roger Waters. Im sure that David Lee Roth fans dont think Sammy is Van Halen either. I like Coverdales take on a Purple reunion. He will only do it if everyone is involved
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| I didn't mean inducting twenty members for achievments outside of Black Sabbath. Just for their work with Iommi. Although people like Dio contributed to Sabbath and made great music they were just more musicians who joined Iommi (and mabe Butler). I read somewhere that "no-one after Ozzy was ever in Sabbath". That's actually partly true I think. The original lineup were the most succesful, are generally considered the best, founded/formed the band, released the most albums and at the time were the current active touring lineup. I think it was the right desicion. |
I dont have a problem with Ozzy being the focal point. I just beleive that the Band Black Sabbath had many faces and the whole story should be told. Its one thing not to invite everyone else to be inducted. Its entirely different to say they werent really part of sabbath because their version wasnt Sabbath. Like I said. Sabbath got inducted therefor the entire carreer of black sabbath should be highlighted. It was not Iommi's solo band it was Black Sabbath however some people would like to paint it that way. Iommi owns the Sabbath name so any incarnaton he sees fit to call Black Sabbath is still Sabbath. Ask David Gilmour who is Pink Floyd, I bet he doesnt say Roger Waters. Im sure that David Lee Roth fans dont think Sammy is Van Halen either. I like Coverdales take on a Purple reunion. He will only do it if everyone is involved |
No it wasn't Iommi's solo band but Haven & Hell, Born Again and Seventh Star were never intended to be Sabbath albums. For example the latter was an Iommi solo release yet the record company insisted it go out under the Sabbath moniker to help sales. I'm not saying that these lineups were just Iommi+, they were Black Sabbath but most of the time it was never meant to be. Besides it might as well have been Iommi's solo project during the mide to late eighties. It was like revolving doors. In fact the band never mantained the same lineup for more than one album at a time. Only Forbbidden & Tyr and Mob Rules & Dehumanizer had the same personnel. |
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