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Magica Dragon
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A few responses from my friends concerning rock bands:
"But they're old."
"No-one likes rock bands except old farts from the seventies."
"What's the point of listening to all this noise?"
"You can't even hear what they're saying. They're just shoutin."
"Aren't they dead from drug abuse yet?"
Makes me wonder whether they've got a brain 
The only reason that some people seem to know about Sabbath is because of Ozzy Osbourne and his bloody reality shows. Some of them don't even know he's a singer.
Oh and when I mentioned Alice Cooper my mate said
"Well that's stupid, having a woman's name."
I explained it was a stage name but he was still confused and he said he was probably gay because he had a woman's name. He seems to think that all rockers are gay.
Only one person I know is honestly into heavy metal music and only another couple in my class are into what I'd call decent music (not bloody rap!) |
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obscene
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I hate rap. Half the people I know like rap. But, there's still a group of us who worship the true metal gods.
Hell, one girl I'm good friends with, we made friends over the Coop.
Some shit calls coop gay, you'd better not give me his address or we'll have a homicide on our hands.
It pisses me off that I have to hear "uh uh uh my d*ck uh uh uh suck me uh uh uh" How the hell can that be better than Axl's antics.
Then I hear the fucking shit about "ooh they're cool cos they're criminals" oh, like Axl, Slash, Ozzy, Iommi, Jimi, Plant, or Blackmore never been arrested.
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Magica Dragon
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| obscene wrote: |
| It pisses me off that I have to hear "uh uh uh my d*ck uh uh uh suck me uh uh uh". |
You've summed it up perfectly. Talentless idiots who can't think of anything to write so they just go on about exactly the same thing every time. I don't understand why people like this stuff. Not everyone is going to like rock and fair enough but rap really is just a load of crap.
People seem to like it because everyone else does. No-ones got a mind of their own.
"Wow that songs at the top of the charts it must be good."
Half the time it's bollocks.
And by the way I won't be giving you my mate's adress because once you've murdered him the religious groups will be blaming the "satanic" rock world again |
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Reem
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| i've got alot of these stupid people here(even more stupid),i don't like to say that they listen to music because to me it's not really music.some of them don't know what ROCK is,and some of them just don't listen to it because they can't understand a word in english.some of them know the words"Rock and Roll"so i think that they know what i'm talking about so i ask them about this and that but they don't know instead they tell me "is that the song Britney Spears sings"and i just turn my back and walk.i know that tastes are different from one person to another but to me i can't live without Rock and especialy Dio. |
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obscene
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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I mean, (not to get off topic) but some people will ask me who Alice Cooper is. (I have a shirt with his logo and his picture, so naturally, in their world, it's a competitor of Hollister or American Eagle) I say, he's a rock singer, Invented Shock Rock, Then they're all like, what's shock rock, something new?
UUHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! 
And then, there's all the idiots out there with designer clothes and rap shit, (I don't think they're all idiots. Hell there's one blonde babe who [I don't know if it's designer] but the way she walks and the way she dresses and the way she looks and the way her eyes sparkle, have caught me in a web of love) back to the point.
The idiots are always out there, abusing their women, they call us evil, fucking everything in sight, they call us satanists, saying kill all white people, saying all black people are idiots, saying all mexicans are illegal, and calling us racist.
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, hopefully my Angel's a Pretty Ballerina and not a Country Girl.
(if you don't get the song references, why the hell are you here)
But I mean, I have to constantly worry about her and my other female friends at the mercy of the hands who think they're pimps.
Long Live Rock & Roll
Later on........
Country Girl...., or a Holy Diver, can't tell, she;s so beautiful...oh well.
As for the modern world, who are we to complain, we're all just "leaves that the wind blows."-Dio
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Well I think it's safe to say that Ronnie James Dio is finally getting some of the recognition he deserves. I saw it at the shows I was at...the places were packed and the crouds LOVED him/them. He is being interview with H&H all over the place, doing signings, and just basically back.
We all know he was never gone, but the masses seemed to forget, which is why Dio hasn't toured here in so long.
When I came back to this site, I was all about, "America Unite!!" to get this man back, to show him that America does love his music, and so we could see a fucking show already.
I've met people at these last shows and turned them on to this site so they can learn more about the man and his music....
People see him now 
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rnr_child
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| There is lot of stupid people that never heard about Ronnie and they say that they listen to metal , man bullshit how can you listen to metal if you never heard about the greatest voice in heavy metal long live Ronnie |
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nunoni
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When I get asked what sort of music I like, or what kind of vinyl I collect, I tell them "don't bother, you never heard of it"; when asked further, I tell them "Ronnie James Dio", someimtes they know, someitmes they don't. I never talk about Rainbow or Sabbath. If asked further, I tell them "he's the singer with a band called Heaven and Hell". they never heard of it, or sometimes they know the song, so they ask just in doubt "who else plays there", and I answer "some guys he picked along the way, great musicians actually, but Dio coul be in a yodeling band and I'd still love it, I don't care that much with whom else he plays with, as long as the voice is there".
I stopped trying to give people a musical education, I think each individual has the right to listen to whatever crap they want to, and it's not my job to teach them - peace and respect for everybody, even if they like the most disgusting pop! |
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DevinMacGregor
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| nunoni wrote: |
When I get asked what sort of music I like, or what kind of vinyl I collect, I tell them "don't bother, you never heard of it"; when asked further, I tell them "Ronnie James Dio", someimtes they know, someitmes they don't. I never talk about Rainbow or Sabbath. If asked further, I tell them "he's the singer with a band called Heaven and Hell". they never heard of it, or sometimes they know the song, so they ask just in doubt "who else plays there", and I answer "some guys he picked along the way, great musicians actually, but Dio coul be in a yodeling band and I'd still love it, I don't care that much with whom else he plays with, as long as the voice is there".
I stopped trying to give people a musical education, I think each individual has the right to listen to whatever crap they want to, and it's not my job to teach them - peace and respect for everybody, even if they like the most disgusting pop! |
I agree with you to a point and here comes the but ...
BUT ... what I see a lot is the disrespect for the music I like and this is not just metal. I finally went and bought myself something ... an iPod. I got the classic with 160 gigs. Have over 80 gigs on it right now that have been tagged and bagged. I have almost 80 gigs more that I need to tagged correctly and collect missing albums and redo some tracks that came out scratchy but be that as it may ... I now have my music on the go.
NOW at ANY work I have been at someone plays a radio. I have listened to Rap. I have listened to Country. I have listened to a host of POP and easy listening. I have NEVER once said to any of those people what you listen to is fucking crap. I may think it in my head but yeah this is what they like.
BUT when I put something in that I have all of a sudden we have issues. I blare nothing. The fucking thing goes to 11 but I have it on 2. I play nothing that anyone would ok SHOULD consider hard.
I am tired of living in silence. Hence why I got the iPOD but when I put it in with my tiny speakers gee how come someone has to turn on some internet tunes and then I cannot even hear what I am listening to and this is not even metal. I am talking the Doors as well. I am talking of classical music. I am talking of renaissance music. None of it loud. I get up and walk to other's cubes and stand in it to see how much they can hear. Yet everytime I plug it in and listen to it at my desk while I work someone well the same guy has to put on some internet music which is piping in hip hop.
Stupid people? Maybe not but ignorant people? Fuck yeah. They do not seem to understand that their hip hop bass travels a lot farther than my damn treble.
And it is always the younger people who are supposedly so opened minded but are not in actuality. Opened minded in wanting to do whatever the hell they want to do but not open minded when it comes to realizing other people should have their turn as well. As I can sit and hear what they are playing and not bitch or die from it they cannot just listen to what I am playing.
And to be clear in all my cases it has always been the younger crowd not that we never have old fuddy duddies that want to listen to REO Speedwagon golden oldies over and over again while gringing at listen to even oh the horror def leppard or something that is more poppish.
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nunoni
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the young are not open minded, they just think they are. In fact, they are entrenched in their own little tastes.
The masses like what the masses like - if you deviate, they will tell you that you are deviating. So hip hop and any crap is OK, but the music you mention (metal, renaissance, etc etc, it's a long list), deviates.
The young (and the not so young as well) in fact, are desperately trying to fit in, so they have a huge drive to conform, while at the same time they have to try and stand out of the crowd in order to find themselves a better place. This leads to a type of conformity based on looks and hype and being "different" which normally just means a particular combination of clothes, music, sport, and tastes.
So, again, there is no point in trying to educate these people - they will either learn by themselves, or won't at all.
What you say is something different, it's fighting for your right not to conform. Personally, I also stopped bothering, because I am free in my mind, but maybe it's because I finally got my own office... so no one can tell me to shut off my speakers! |
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StargazerGeisha
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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You said it!
It's frustrating.
I have a pic of Ronnie on my work computer's desktop background. People will walk by and ask "Who's that guy?" I ask if they have time for a little bit of history...I'll give the condensed version. They always say "yeah." So I start out by asking "You know Black Sabbath, right?" (I don't even go into Elf or Rainbow....their heads would explode....I don't want to clean that up...) They usually say "yeah!!!" with a bunch of enthusiasm. For a flickering moment, I have hope, but then out of their mouths comes "but that's not Ozzy!" Resisting the urge to bang my head against my desk, I give them a quick education. I get a blank look, glazed eyes, and "oh." Well damn it! They asked!!!
However, I do work with some people who do get it. They aren't total converts, but they now have an appreciation for all things Ronnie. I work with a guy who says he always thinks of me when he hears "Rainbow In The Dark." I guess that would kind of make it our song! LOL!!!! A lady I work with says he's "handsome in an interesting way."
So...there are people out there who do get it. |
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Dio_Is_My_God
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I don't consider anybody a hard rock fan unless they know Dio and can tell me three songs that he wrote. If you can't, then I just consider you one of those new age sissy rock and roll lovers.
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DevinMacGregor
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| nunoni wrote: |
the young are not open minded, they just think they are. In fact, they are entrenched in their own little tastes.
The masses like what the masses like - if you deviate, they will tell you that you are deviating. So hip hop and any crap is OK, but the music you mention (metal, renaissance, etc etc, it's a long list), deviates.
The young (and the not so young as well) in fact, are desperately trying to fit in, so they have a huge drive to conform, while at the same time they have to try and stand out of the crowd in order to find themselves a better place. This leads to a type of conformity based on looks and hype and being "different" which normally just means a particular combination of clothes, music, sport, and tastes.
So, again, there is no point in trying to educate these people - they will either learn by themselves, or won't at all.
What you say is something different, it's fighting for your right not to conform. Personally, I also stopped bothering, because I am free in my mind, but maybe it's because I finally got my own office... so no one can tell me to shut off my speakers! |
I understand the pop psychology. They are fighting as well not to conform to what I listen to. Society in general does say younger people are more open minded. Bill Gates has made a similar comment in that he likes to hirer those under 30. The IT industry in of itself as well states younger people are open minded. The angle being that younger people are more innovative while older people cannot think they way out of a shoe box and are stuck in their ways. But all those may simply be code words for paying you less money since you are ignorant to how things work, how they should work, and all the corporate BS. Older workers tend to see the BS more readily while the younger crowd hops around oblivious to the fact they have been had.
My co worker in this particular instance from above is equally trying not to conform to what I listen to since he does not give any of it a chance. His comments to me are typical high school competition banter such as he was looking through tracks to play online and came across something by AC/DC and said this is what you like. It was not a simple query but more like a razing kind of tone with facial expressions and physical animation to boot. He has asked me if I listen to Hip Hop. I did not tell him that it sucks to all hell and back. I simply said I do not own any and do not prefer it but do not melt if it is played. I have a CD set for 700 years of Classical music that covers all the periods. I was playing the CD for the Baroque period on my iPod and he asked me, you like that! He did not ask hey what kind of music is that or who is that in any kind of quizzical tone of discovery. He simply made a snark. Then turned on some music and I could not hear what I was listening to.
Contrary to what others may believe in person I do not typically give up information unless someone asks. What I was speaking to was the intolerance and being disrespectful to what others listen to and not my unwillingness to conform. Fuck educating them. If someone can listen to what they like then they can sit and listen to what others like. It is called sharing. It is also called being fair and something they snark about.
I went to a concert with a co worker once. This was the Lock Up the Wolves tour. I got two second row tickets and he expressed interest in going. I asked oh so you know Dio? He said oh yeah I have his first album, Sacred Heart. It was my own private chuckle. I did not say anything to him about it but simply replied, oh. I used to work in the warehouse for a now defunct retail outlet. A radio was typically playing. This was the cassette days and funny how any cassette I put in was removed to have another inserted. This was 17 years ago as well.
I have never worked anywhere where there were more than a few rockers here and there. Since the large scale coming out of Hip Hop in the early 90s (not talking to when it actually started but when it emerged on the radio while pushing rock aside) there seems to be more intolerance. This includes long hair as well. The 80s in general as well is made fun of while to me the 80s is the last actual decade that did something new while the 90s had a constant rehash of older styles etc. To me it seems to be the lost direction decade of mega boy bands and hip hop. I got reprimanded once by a young person after making a comment about her wearing bell bottoms and platform shoes. No these are flairs. Don't recall what new name they have for platform shoes but I just looked at her and said, oh. I did not put her down but simply said hey you are wearing bell bottoms and platform shoes.
If a person does not know that the style of clothes they wear came out more than 20 years before then how in the hell are they going to know any history behind any band?
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piracy_of_life
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the young are not open minded, they just think they are. In fact, they are entrenched in their own little tastes.
The masses like what the masses like - if you deviate, they will tell you that you are deviating. So hip hop and any crap is OK, but the music you mention (metal, renaissance, etc etc, it's a long list), deviates.
The young (and the not so young as well) in fact, are desperately trying to fit in, so they have a huge drive to conform, while at the same time they have to try and stand out of the crowd in order to find themselves a better place. This leads to a type of conformity based on looks and hype and being "different" which normally just means a particular combination of clothes, music, sport, and tastes. |
I don't appreciate your generalization of my generation. As Devin said the people at his work place get annoyed with his music and I'm pretty sure he doesn't work with "the young." This problem isn't specific to one age group, it's everywhere.
I know numerous kids may age who love metal and Dio. There's also many younger members here.
and personally I'm glad Dio doesn't have a massive following like Ozzy or AC/DC, I'm so sick of seeing their shirts everywhere. If I see someone wearing a Dio shirt or talking about his music I know immediately we have something in common.
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nunoni
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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sorry, I was not talking about a generation in particular, but about "l'air du temps" - the general feel of the times.
About conformity - there is need to conform to a minority taste, so people don't have to conform to those playing metal... but conformists, which are the majority, do have to conform to the majority taste, be it hip hop pr whatever. They conformed to Hair Metal back in the 80s!
Coming back to my point, it's simply that there is no point in trying to give people a musical education, it's so much effort wasted in vain. But we do have to assert our right to our taste and to listen to our music!!! |
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