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DlO
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Oh I agree about todays youth. I'm only 15 mind you, but at least I have half a brain to look past the crap the mainstream gives us. The only people in my school I can have an intelligent music conversation with are the teachers. They are practically the only ones who know who Dio is. I see fanboys and girls running around wearing Black Sabbath shirts who have never even heard of Dio. (By the way, anyone know where to buy a Black Sabbath shirt with Dio on it? If there even is one? All the ones I see are with Ozzy.) Heck, I bet half of those kids haven't even heard of any other songs by Sabbath besides the overrated ones. Ie. War Pigs, Iron Man. It's a shame how kids today won't go past the mainstream. Especially in true metal since basically they think nu metal is the hardest and coolest genre ever. I'll admit some nu metal bands are ok, but the majority of them are crap. I hate seeing those little metalhead poseurs running around with Slipknot shirts on and such thinking they are the shit.
Once, my friend was wearing his H.I.M heartagram shirt and I was wearing my Holy Diver one. I told him how I disliked H.I.M (love metal, what the hell is up with that? Once again another false piece of crap genre the kids will feed into and believe...) and he said "Oh yeah, well they are much better than Dio." This made me laugh. I wanted to smack him for being such an ignorant fool. I bet he has never even heard a Dio song and just looked to retaliate on behalf of his crappy taste in music. |
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lailacooper
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I agree with you all,but in France there was no advertising for DIO in the 70's ans you couldn't find any disc...French people tought that Rock was the Rolling Stones and that's all.
Now,young people just talk about Marylin Manson,Slipknot,Korn...how sad it is. 
By the way,Michelle,I'm jealous!Your pics are wonderful! 
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Oh I agree about todays youth. I'm only 15 mind you, but at least I have half a brain to look past the crap the mainstream gives us. The only people in my school I can have an intelligent music conversation with are the teachers. They are practically the only ones who know who Dio is. I see fanboys and girls running around wearing Black Sabbath shirts who have never even heard of Dio. (By the way, anyone know where to buy a Black Sabbath shirt with Dio on it? If there even is one? All the ones I see are with Ozzy.) Heck, I bet half of those kids haven't even heard of any other songs by Sabbath besides the overrated ones. Ie. War Pigs, Iron Man. It's a shame how kids today won't go past the mainstream. Especially in true metal since basically they think nu metal is the hardest and coolest genre ever. I'll admit some nu metal bands are ok, but the majority of them are crap. I hate seeing those little metalhead poseurs running around with Slipknot shirts on and such thinking they are the shit.
Once, my friend was wearing his H.I.M heartagram shirt and I was wearing my Holy Diver one. I told him how I disliked H.I.M (love metal, what the hell is up with that? Once again another false piece of crap genre the kids will feed into and believe...) and he said "Oh yeah, well they are much better than Dio." This made me laugh. I wanted to smack him for being such an ignorant fool. I bet he has never even heard a Dio song and just looked to retaliate on behalf of his crappy taste in music. |
Very well said! I remember when I was like 12, I was really into Jimmy Hendrix, the Stones, Janis Joplin and all that stuff. The only people who I could relate to were adults, so I know where you are coming from.
I had a couple of poser 15 y/o stoner boys walk down my driveway to meet my 15 y/o daughter. I said to them, "So you guys are into Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden right?" They were like, "oh my God, no way, how'd you know? We were just listening to Black Sabbath. " I said, "Really, you like Sabbath? Do you know who Ronnie James Dio is?" Of course they said no. They couldn't believe that I liked IM and that I go to these kinds of shows. I asked what Sabbath they were listening to and they didn't even know. I nicely said that if they were going to say that they were Sabbath fans, they should at least know what they were talking about and that I would burn them a CD. Somehow I think that they won't appreciate Sabbath with Ronnie because it is more intelligent than with Ozzy, IMO. But I want to give them a chance.
As a 15 y/o yourself, what CD do you think I should give them, or what songs? I would like to include Sabbath and Dio.
And thanks lailacooper. I really love the pictures too. They still blow me away.
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DevinMacGregor
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Well from remembering back when I was 15 (1982) I do not recall a great many actually reading the lyrics and overall paying attention to them nor the lineup changes unless it was current. It was the music itself and over what the band did that was outlandish etc. So whether or not Ronnie's lyrics were more intelligent than what Geezer or Daisley wrote would have been to deaf years to those same yoots. I remember one of my sister's friends at the time saying to me, "You like AC/DC?" Yeah. "You like Dirty Deeds Thunderchief" Oh you mean Done Dirt Cheap.
For me personally I never really followed the crowd. I said no if I didn't want to do it and I never did anything just because someone said it was cool. I wasn't really a normal teenager for the time period in most aspects. We were glued to magazines as well then. I used to get every issue of Cream and Circus. We would run down to the local 7/11 to buy them. [i]You cannot read that if you are not going to buy it. This is not a library.[/b] In them you would see Ozzy which was a typical article with some off the wall pose or stunt whatever. Now how well does that appeal to the "I just want to piss my parents off crowd" of yoots? See Manson to maybe understand that more. I am sure there are those who truly like his music (btw I have about 4 or 5 of his CDs. I had a g/f at the time who liked him. I haven't listened to them since). But how many listen to it because it makes them feel like they are not conforming and not doing what their parents do. Bands like WASP sold a lot of image to the yoots and when the PMRC came out and the record companies decided to label albums it increased their sales just to say "fuck" here and there and get that label sticker on it. That sticker was a big "hey kids this is stuff your parents dont want you to hear ... BUY ME!!!"
A big part of this is rebellion. Has Ronnie ever really portrayed that? I think if he had rumors in magazines of him blowing animals up onstage, throwing entrails into the audience or sawing off the legs of dogs on stage, etc then he may have been more popular. If he had just posed himself as some Duke of Darkness with pointy teeth while spitting out jelly like blood then I would gather for that time period he would have been stellar among many yoots. Ozzy appeared to be against the establishment and that seemed cool. (See peeing on the alamo, if Ronnie had peed on Abe Lincoln he would have had triple quadruple platinum albums, lol) He also portraying a party attitude while Ronnie did not. It is cool to be against your parents the squares, the ones who can never understand you, the ones who have never been where you are etc. *wink* So listening to music that is 20 or more years old I do not see being really appealing to many yoots on the simple fact it is cool to rebel against your parents and that music could be easily associated with your parents. Ozzy would not be in the mind of yoots today if it were not for Ozzfest and neither would Black Sabbath.
A big part of why people may stop listening to metal in general is because they no longer feel like they need to rebel and all the music actually meant to them before was they were sticking it to the man.
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DlO
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Oh I agree about todays youth. I'm only 15 mind you, but at least I have half a brain to look past the crap the mainstream gives us. The only people in my school I can have an intelligent music conversation with are the teachers. They are practically the only ones who know who Dio is. I see fanboys and girls running around wearing Black Sabbath shirts who have never even heard of Dio. (By the way, anyone know where to buy a Black Sabbath shirt with Dio on it? If there even is one? All the ones I see are with Ozzy.) Heck, I bet half of those kids haven't even heard of any other songs by Sabbath besides the overrated ones. Ie. War Pigs, Iron Man. It's a shame how kids today won't go past the mainstream. Especially in true metal since basically they think nu metal is the hardest and coolest genre ever. I'll admit some nu metal bands are ok, but the majority of them are crap. I hate seeing those little metalhead poseurs running around with Slipknot shirts on and such thinking they are the shit.
Once, my friend was wearing his H.I.M heartagram shirt and I was wearing my Holy Diver one. I told him how I disliked H.I.M (love metal, what the hell is up with that? Once again another false piece of crap genre the kids will feed into and believe...) and he said "Oh yeah, well they are much better than Dio." This made me laugh. I wanted to smack him for being such an ignorant fool. I bet he has never even heard a Dio song and just looked to retaliate on behalf of his crappy taste in music. |
Very well said! I remember when I was like 12, I was really into Jimmy Hendrix, the Stones, Janis Joplin and all that stuff. The only people who I could relate to were adults, so I know where you are coming from.
I had a couple of poser 15 y/o stoner boys walk down my driveway to meet my 15 y/o daughter. I said to them, "So you guys are into Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden right?" They were like, "oh my God, no way, how'd you know? We were just listening to Black Sabbath. " I said, "Really, you like Sabbath? Do you know who Ronnie James Dio is?" Of course they said no. They couldn't believe that I liked IM and that I go to these kinds of shows. I asked what Sabbath they were listening to and they didn't even know. I nicely said that if they were going to say that they were Sabbath fans, they should at least know what they were talking about and that I would burn them a CD. Somehow I think that they won't appreciate Sabbath with Ronnie because it is more intelligent than with Ozzy, IMO. But I want to give them a chance.
As a 15 y/o yourself, what CD do you think I should give them, or what songs? I would like to include Sabbath and Dio.
And thanks lailacooper. I really love the pictures too. They still blow me away. |
Wow, I wouldn't be able to stand people like them xD A lot of kids think Ozzy is the greatest guy from Sabbath. Heck they can't even name the other original members like Butler,Iommi, and Ward. I once asked a guy wearing a Black Sabbath shirt if he liked Tony Iommi, just for the heck of it, and he was like "Who?". And I agree, I don't think they would properly appreciate Dio. They just seem like those kind of kids.
I think you should give them the Dehumanizer, Heaven and Hell and Holy Diver albums, to get them started Dio-wise. If you make a mixed Cd you should include some other great metal bands that would blow them away. I say add some Gamma Ray,Hibria and Blind Guardian for excellent power metal, Overkill for thrash (they're probably Metallica fanboys who love St.Anger or something xP) and Old Queensryche for progressive. I haven't yet gotten into Death and Black metal yet so I'm not good in that genre department for reccomendations xP Even if you put some Death or Black metal on the cd I bet they would say they think Slipknot is better death metal than whichever band you choose or something.
Here's some songs I reccomend from each band that you should put on the cd:
Gamma Ray- Hands of Fate
Hibria-The Faceless In Charge
Blind Guardian-Theatre of Pain
Overkill-Kill at Command, Rotten to the Core (Heck, anything off Feel the Fire, I love that album)
Queensryche- Queen of the Reich
Black Sabbath-Heaven and Hell, Master of Insanity, Children of the Sea
Dio-Holy Diver, Rainbow in the Dark, The Last in Line, Dream Evil,Fever Dreams
A cd with this stuff on it will definitely tell their attitude towards metal music. Hope I helped you with reccomendations for your cd =) |
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Yes, that did help. I was going to give them some of what you said, but you gave me some suggestions that I didn't khow about.
I guess what I meant by "more intelligent" isn't only the lyrics. I also mean just more beautiful and incredibly well done. It's not just shit you bang your head to...not that banging your head to it isn't completely appropriate.
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Yes, that did help. I was going to give them some of what you said, but you gave me some suggestions that I didn't khow about.
I guess what I meant by "more intelligent" isn't only the lyrics. I also mean just more beautiful and incredibly well done. It's not just shit you bang your head to...not that banging your head to it isn't completely appropriate. |
I understand but just how many people do things to think? How many do things just because they want to bang their head? I am not saying Ronnie's lyrics or music is not any of those things just reasons why others may not like it or simply don't care.
For the Lock Up the Wolves tour I had second row seats. Next to me was this guy with his girlfriend. There were at least two opening acts before Dio came on. This guy was hammering beers. He passed out long before Dio ever came on stage. After the lights came on I helped his girlfriend carry him back to their car. He awoke as we were carrying him saying that that was the best fucking concert ever. Technically he was passed out for about 3/4 of the time. I surely hope that he was able to improve on that and the next time be passed out for half the entire show so he can top his best concert ever.
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Wow!!!
All this while, I thought I was all alone.
I'm glad to learn this.
I'm also glad to meet all you Dio fans.
Hi all and rock on!
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lailacooper
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Hello Superlamo,
Welcome to the board!You should go the General Section and tell us more about you!
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Oh I agree about todays youth. I'm only 15 mind you, but at least I have half a brain to look past the crap the mainstream gives us. The only people in my school I can have an intelligent music conversation with are the teachers. They are practically the only ones who know who Dio is. I see fanboys and girls running around wearing Black Sabbath shirts who have never even heard of Dio. (By the way, anyone know where to buy a Black Sabbath shirt with Dio on it? If there even is one? All the ones I see are with Ozzy.) Heck, I bet half of those kids haven't even heard of any other songs by Sabbath besides the overrated ones. Ie. War Pigs, Iron Man. It's a shame how kids today won't go past the mainstream. Especially in true metal since basically they think nu metal is the hardest and coolest genre ever. I'll admit some nu metal bands are ok, but the majority of them are crap. I hate seeing those little metalhead poseurs running around with Slipknot shirts on and such thinking they are the shit.
Once, my friend was wearing his H.I.M heartagram shirt and I was wearing my Holy Diver one. I told him how I disliked H.I.M (love metal, what the hell is up with that? Once again another false piece of crap genre the kids will feed into and believe...) and he said "Oh yeah, well they are much better than Dio." This made me laugh. I wanted to smack him for being such an ignorant fool. I bet he has never even heard a Dio song and just looked to retaliate on behalf of his crappy taste in music. |
Very well said! I remember when I was like 12, I was really into Jimmy Hendrix, the Stones, Janis Joplin and all that stuff. The only people who I could relate to were adults, so I know where you are coming from.
I had a couple of poser 15 y/o stoner boys walk down my driveway to meet my 15 y/o daughter. I said to them, "So you guys are into Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden right?" They were like, "oh my God, no way, how'd you know? We were just listening to Black Sabbath. " I said, "Really, you like Sabbath? Do you know who Ronnie James Dio is?" Of course they said no. They couldn't believe that I liked IM and that I go to these kinds of shows. I asked what Sabbath they were listening to and they didn't even know. I nicely said that if they were going to say that they were Sabbath fans, they should at least know what they were talking about and that I would burn them a CD. Somehow I think that they won't appreciate Sabbath with Ronnie because it is more intelligent than with Ozzy, IMO. But I want to give them a chance.
As a 15 y/o yourself, what CD do you think I should give them, or what songs? I would like to include Sabbath and Dio.
And thanks lailacooper. I really love the pictures too. They still blow me away. |
When I was 15 (in the magical year of 2004!!!  ) I really was just getting into Black Sabbath (then I had no clue of anything in Sabbath)
My favorites were;
Symptom of the Universe
War Pigs
Paranoid
Iron Man
The Wizard
Faeries Wear Boots
N.I.B.
Electric Funeral
then there were these other songs...they weren't by Ozzy (whom I soon found out was singing)...they were my favorites...
Country Girl
Heaven and Hell
Die Young
Neon Knights
Mob Rules
I had no clue they were Dio, and I loved them...These I recomend as they are my favorite Sabbath songs (Out of many!) |
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if u asked me if i knew who dio was a month ago i wud say "Who???"
thats rite...for years ive called my self a rock/metal fan and never heard of Ronnie James Dio...then one day i heard Holy Diver on the radio and i was like dam that song is awesome...but the radio never told me who sang it 
so i did sum reasearch and found it was by Dio and i feel in love with the band ever since....im new to Ronnie James Dio so ive never listened to any of his stuff with sabbath or rainbow...im only listened to Dio...and only the albums Holy Diver and Last In Line...but im working on it...
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Michelle, those pics are so cute!  How will I get that kind of photos?
In Finland it's almost cool to like "heavy metal" (which really isn't heavy metal just a lame hard rock) so there's teenagers who say that I love metal and then they know like one "metal band" which is normally some crabby gothrock band with cute boys in make-up...
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I see...  perosnally I don't pay attention to anything current...it's all garbage...!  |
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yea i agree....mainstream music sucks balls
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It's great to read that Ronnie is still gaining new fans around the world. Read here often to meet some of the smartest rock fans around.
There's something about Ronnie that attracts people who are a bit more thoughful than your average metal fan. Lyrically, of course, Ronnie requires you understand metaphore, irony and sarcasm, subltiies that are lost of most of the population.
There is also strong mystical element that seems to scare the heck out of a lot of folks. The claiming of personal power is a strong theme for Ronnie throughout his career, he just does it a bit more intelligently than say your average numetal band. Telling people to wake up and take control of your own life is a call to rebellion but is a tad more productive than just encouraging people to act in antisocial ways just to demostrate your rejection of traditional values( ie; your parents' values) like most artists is the metal genre.
So Dio fans have to dig a bit deeper to find the messages of rebellion but they are there. Most people aren't really stupid but what we consider to be mentally lazy or spiritually asleep. They just aren't interested in thinking that hard about a musical message( hence the popularity of mindlessly repeating lyrics) The meaning has to be obvious, and Ronnie is as crytic as you can get.
One of the most fascinating things about Ronnie's lyrics is there ability to be intrepreted in many different ways. That is the mark of a true bard, someone who can speak to the individual through the images of the collective unconscious. There was once a thread about what your idea was of a certain song, there were some very interesting visions, all different but all valid. We think we'll start a thread like that again. Look for it soon.
Welcome new fans!!!!!!!!!
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