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DevinMacGregor
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I’ve not heard a ‘worst’ album....only ones that have songs that I like less than other ones
***DIO RULES*** |
Those are called filler songs. To make an album
after having run out of ideas. Even classic albums
have them. |
Is filler an artist term or a fan term? Do they sit around and say hey we have no more ideas so lets make a filler song since we only have 6 tracks that are awesome?
Or do they simply churn out ideas and work on the ones they get further inspiration from. All tracks can be filler songs since they all fill up the slots that would make an album. Some are just more developed or came together better than others.
I would not consider Neon Knights a filler song although it was created last to fill in the last slot of a standard 8 track album.
So is a filler song then considered by any fan any song they like less than the rest? And is it being assumed that all the liked tracks, ie considered good tracks, were created first and not that a really great song was created 8th in the order and last.
Some bands work on far more than 8 tracks and take 8-9 of the best of that to make the final album. The Beatles did 15 some tracks per album and that was not all of their ideas for those albums. Ronnie has said he works roughly on only the amount of tracks on the album so does not have tracks sitting in some "vault" as other artists who later release tracks that never made it on any album.
Just questions Dusty. I do not want you to feel all abused or anything. |
You know Devin. There was no need for that last remark. 
As for the filler comment. What I meant was songs on albums that the listener would skip over. Weak songs ya know. Sure maybe 10% of fans might listen to every song. But most of the time we pick and choose our favs. to create the ultimate playlist from several albums. Sometimes an album has only one good song. |
Actually the comment was not meant to insult you or anything, Dusty. It was in reference to being accused of abusing posters for simply debating their points.
I understand what you are saying but then a filler is defined not universally but to what a person likes. It is not defined by the artist as well. Each person may see a different song as a filler as well as calling a song weak.
Some may not like Neon Knights and think it is a weak song and just a filler song while another may see it as Must See TV.
Some see Mob Rules and Dehumanizer as entirely weak albums and I guess then by extension all fillers.
Some do not like KTD. To them it is all filler then. Then to others they like the faster playing style of Doug and did not like MOTM when it came out feeling it was too slow and plodding than KTD. There are those who love the Tracy GG era over the Vivian Campbell era etc.
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Dusthead
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Dusthead wrote: |
| DevinMacGregor wrote: |
| Dusthead wrote: |
| ZeusJupiter wrote: |
I’ve not heard a ‘worst’ album....only ones that have songs that I like less than other ones
***DIO RULES*** |
Those are called filler songs. To make an album
after having run out of ideas. Even classic albums
have them. |
Is filler an artist term or a fan term? Do they sit around and say hey we have no more ideas so lets make a filler song since we only have 6 tracks that are awesome?
Or do they simply churn out ideas and work on the ones they get further inspiration from. All tracks can be filler songs since they all fill up the slots that would make an album. Some are just more developed or came together better than others.
I would not consider Neon Knights a filler song although it was created last to fill in the last slot of a standard 8 track album.
So is a filler song then considered by any fan any song they like less than the rest? And is it being assumed that all the liked tracks, ie considered good tracks, were created first and not that a really great song was created 8th in the order and last.
Some bands work on far more than 8 tracks and take 8-9 of the best of that to make the final album. The Beatles did 15 some tracks per album and that was not all of their ideas for those albums. Ronnie has said he works roughly on only the amount of tracks on the album so does not have tracks sitting in some "vault" as other artists who later release tracks that never made it on any album.
Just questions Dusty. I do not want you to feel all abused or anything. |
You know Devin. There was no need for that last remark.
As for the filler comment. What I meant was songs on albums that the listener would skip over. Weak songs ya know. Sure maybe 10% of fans might listen to every song. But most of the time we pick and choose our favs. to create the ultimate playlist from several albums. Sometimes an album has only one good song. |
Actually the comment was not meant to insult you or anything, Dusty. It was in reference to being accused of abusing posters for simply debating their points.
I understand what you are saying but then a filler is defined not universally but to what a person likes. It is not defined by the artist as well. Each person may see a different song as a filler as well as calling a song weak.
Some may not like Neon Knights and think it is a weak song and just a filler song while another may see it as Must See TV.
Some see Mob Rules and Dehumanizer as entirely weak albums and I guess then by extension all fillers.
Some do not like KTD. To them it is all filler then. Then to others they like the faster playing style of Doug and did not like MOTM when it came out feeling it was too slow and plodding than KTD. There are those who love the Tracy GG era over the Vivian Campbell era etc. |
Every once in awhile I spin all 72 minutes of Magica and try to get into it. Each song has it's moments but none come together as a must hear again. The computer narration is cool. It was well recorded soundwise. And yet it is my least fav. Dio album still.
What is your fav. Dio album beginning to end Dev?
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DevinMacGregor
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Dusthead wrote: |
| DevinMacGregor wrote: |
| Dusthead wrote: |
| DevinMacGregor wrote: |
| Dusthead wrote: |
| ZeusJupiter wrote: |
I’ve not heard a ‘worst’ album....only ones that have songs that I like less than other ones
***DIO RULES*** |
Those are called filler songs. To make an album
after having run out of ideas. Even classic albums
have them. |
Is filler an artist term or a fan term? Do they sit around and say hey we have no more ideas so lets make a filler song since we only have 6 tracks that are awesome?
Or do they simply churn out ideas and work on the ones they get further inspiration from. All tracks can be filler songs since they all fill up the slots that would make an album. Some are just more developed or came together better than others.
I would not consider Neon Knights a filler song although it was created last to fill in the last slot of a standard 8 track album.
So is a filler song then considered by any fan any song they like less than the rest? And is it being assumed that all the liked tracks, ie considered good tracks, were created first and not that a really great song was created 8th in the order and last.
Some bands work on far more than 8 tracks and take 8-9 of the best of that to make the final album. The Beatles did 15 some tracks per album and that was not all of their ideas for those albums. Ronnie has said he works roughly on only the amount of tracks on the album so does not have tracks sitting in some "vault" as other artists who later release tracks that never made it on any album.
Just questions Dusty. I do not want you to feel all abused or anything. |
You know Devin. There was no need for that last remark.
As for the filler comment. What I meant was songs on albums that the listener would skip over. Weak songs ya know. Sure maybe 10% of fans might listen to every song. But most of the time we pick and choose our favs. to create the ultimate playlist from several albums. Sometimes an album has only one good song. |
Actually the comment was not meant to insult you or anything, Dusty. It was in reference to being accused of abusing posters for simply debating their points.
I understand what you are saying but then a filler is defined not universally but to what a person likes. It is not defined by the artist as well. Each person may see a different song as a filler as well as calling a song weak.
Some may not like Neon Knights and think it is a weak song and just a filler song while another may see it as Must See TV.
Some see Mob Rules and Dehumanizer as entirely weak albums and I guess then by extension all fillers.
Some do not like KTD. To them it is all filler then. Then to others they like the faster playing style of Doug and did not like MOTM when it came out feeling it was too slow and plodding than KTD. There are those who love the Tracy GG era over the Vivian Campbell era etc. |
Every once in awhile I spin all 72 minutes of Magica and try to get into it. Each song has it's moments but none come together as a must hear again. The computer narration is cool. It was well recorded soundwise. And yet it is my least fav. Dio album still.
What is your fav. Dio album beginning to end Dev? |
That would still be the first, Holy Diver. It holds some other significants which elevates its status as well.
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alitivity
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First cut the bullshit with me, you were being an ass. You were being serious so cut the crap. You were trying to be a hard ass who believes he can say whatever he wants. If you were not then this should had been your reply to me not the other one. I just reviewed your comment on Music Makers over Nevermet so no you were not being funny but again in fact were being serious and simply being intolerant. Oh I get it, again hyperbole trying to get your point across by saying they suck and anyone who likes what they have created must be deaf. Oh yes completely exaggerated comments to get what point across ... that they suck and anyone who thinks otherwise is deaf?
You are back pedaling now. So get this hyperbole ... my finger is that much closer to the ban button. |
1) I wouldn't care IN THE SLIGHEST if i was banned
2) Nevermet sucks and the only people who would like them would have to be deaf
3) I'm sure i'm banned now.....and can't say i'm disappointed  |
I just stumbled in here because I thought the title was interesting and I actually like KTD. Then I see the Nevermet bashing. I am always a little surprised at people who take the attitude that if they do not like something it sucks and everyone else is wrong.
Here is a little test, If everyone else is an Asshole, then its probably not everyone else at all. Or if everyone else is deaf....
I do not believe that Nevermet is the greatest band ever, and I have never incinuated that. We are guys from this forum who enjoy making what we call music. Anyone who doesnt feel it is music is free to feel that way, and if that starts to be the majority of opinions, then we would rethink making that music. Remember that the novelty is that we have never met, and are writing songs via email. That in itself is a task, and very hard. My question is what have you done for me to critique. Maybe I will hear what you have done and think its great, but until I do hear it, this is a one sided argument that I really would rather not even have.
So feel free to criticize all you want. I'm having a blast and have no intention of quiting.
For those of you who like Nevermet keep an eye out, there are some new songs coming very soon 
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DevinMacGregor
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maiden_76
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No, KILLING THE DRAGON is an awesome album, one of DIO's best imo.
Strange Highways is not a bad album.
Angry Mashines is the worst. |
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2handband
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I was going to pass this by but what the hell...
1) The thread starter would do well to think before he types.
2) He's right about KTD... anyone who is seriously comparing that album to LIL or HD has got to be kidding himself. It's fast-paced and exuberant, but the songwriting isn't there.
3) Strange Highways isn't any better.
4) Angry Machines sucks donkey ass.
5) Everyone complains because a lot of the songs on MOTM and Magica are slow. WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM? Nobody complains when Sabbath does something slow. Those two albums are amongst Dio's finest. |
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Rhonda Ross
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I was going to pass this by but what the hell...
1) The thread starter has made a tremendous ass of himself.
2) He's right about KTD... anyone who is seriously comparing that album to LIL or HD has got to be kidding himself. It's fast-paced and exuberant, but the songwriting isn't there.
3) Strange Highways isn't any better.
4) Angry Machines sucks donkey ass.
5) Everyone complains because a lot of the songs on MOTM and Magica are slow. WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM? Nobody complains when Sabbath does something slow. Those two albums are amongst Dio's finest. |
2handband I'll give you one warning and only one...
there will be NO name calling what so ever.
So please edit your post above or I shall do it myself.
Have a great day!
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2handband
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[quote="Rhonda Ross"][quote="2handband"]I was going to pass this by but what the hell...
1) The thread starter has made a tremendous ass of himself.
2) He's right about KTD... anyone who is seriously comparing that album to LIL or HD has got to be kidding himself. It's fast-paced and exuberant, but the songwriting isn't there.
3) Strange Highways isn't any better.
4) Angry Machines sucks donkey ass.
5) Everyone complains because a lot of the songs on MOTM and Magica are slow. WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM? Nobody complains when Sabbath does something slow. Those two albums are amongst Dio's finest.[/quote]
2handband I'll give you one warning and only one...
there will be NO name calling what so ever.
So please edit your post above or I shall do it myself.
Have a great day! :D[/quote]
I have no idea how to edit a post. How about this: "The thread starter would do well to think before he types." That's a suggestion, not an insult. |
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Rhonda Ross
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I was going to pass this by but what the hell...
1) The thread starter has made a tremendous ass of himself.
2) He's right about KTD... anyone who is seriously comparing that album to LIL or HD has got to be kidding himself. It's fast-paced and exuberant, but the songwriting isn't there.
3) Strange Highways isn't any better.
4) Angry Machines sucks donkey ass.
5) Everyone complains because a lot of the songs on MOTM and Magica are slow. WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM? Nobody complains when Sabbath does something slow. Those two albums are amongst Dio's finest. |
2handband I'll give you one warning and only one...
there will be NO name calling what so ever.
So please edit your post above or I shall do it myself.
Have a great day! |
I have no idea how to edit a post. How about this: "The thread starter would do well to think before he types." That's a suggestion, not an insult. |
Thats better and I took care of it for you....
there should be an edit button on the top right hand corner of your screen next to the quote button.
If you need help give me a holler,I'll be glad o help you.
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I wouldnt say anything that Ronnie has written Sucks Donkey Ass.
The fact that Ronnie has such a large catalog, means that by the law of averages, not everyone will like everything he has done. but just because some of his work does not speak to you the way others do, thats no reason to flat out insult it. Its all great, and we all just have opinions about our own personal favorites
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| alitivity wrote: |
The fact that Ronnie has such a large catalog, means that by the law of averages, not everyone will like everything he has done. but just because some of his work does not speak to you the way others do, thats no reason to flat out insult it. Its all great, and we all just have opinions about our own personal favorites |
You are right. |
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Belial of Metal
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Hells no!!! |
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| I thought it was better than Master of Moon. Take that. |
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Mysterioman
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Killing The Dragon was a very good album in my opinion, the honor of the worst one should be for Angry Machines... I remember only one ballad I like from it, but KTD had "Push", the title track, "Rock & Roll", "Guilty" etc.
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jaxxen
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I can scarcely believe these words of heresy against Killing The Dragon! 
I absolutely love it! Throw Away Children is my favourite Dio song of all, and others like Push, Along Came A Spider, Scream and the title tune are all killer songs. |
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