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| I am a latecomer!How dare you i have been a hardcore dio fan for well over 20 yrs i have met him have his name on my arm and even helped load his stage on to their tractor trailer. PLEASE "i seen it from heaven and hell". "i've seen from the eyes of a stargazer" |
Holy cow, you folks are hyper-sensitive in this forum!
You can't honestly think Dio made Ozzy-Sabbath songs better? Can you??
I don't care if you have his name on your arm, that just makes you goofy. Live Evil falls dead flat on the Ozzy tunes. The entire album sucks anyway but when Dio sings Ozzy it's like he's "singing by numbers". I've seen more emotional vocal performances at a karaoke bar. |
I think you might want to take that "hyper-sensitive" comment back. In the context of this forum, terms like "hyper-sensitive" and "goofy" and "sucks" are not really relevant.
What we're talking about is whether or not RJD has made the original, classic, Black Sabbath songs better. I, for one, would like to say that he has. The original Sabbath featuring Ozzy - the tunes that basically created Heavy Metal as we know it - had become stale and needed Dio's energy and magic.
When Dio joined Sabbath as Ozzy's replacement, it was obvious that Sabbath was on the downtrend. He did a great job filling in for Ozzy and, as we all know, did a great job putting a "Dio" feel on the Ozzy songs, expecially N.I.B. (which takes the song into an entirely new realm.)
When I saw the band at RCMH, I felt that same need to hear Ronnie's take on the original, classic Black Sabbath songs. I was a little disappointed but at least we got to hear the extended, mid-song rap during Heaven and Hell! Truly a work of rock genius!
There's a big black shape lookin' up at me WHOA
He said "I'm not where you ought to be
He said "come with me and I'll bring you... desire"
"But first you've got to burn burn burn in fire!!!"
"Living inside your mind
Who knows the things you'll find
There could be hell or rainbows
But it's a funny thing
The more you feel the sting
You're just a leaf that the wind blows"
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DevinMacGregor
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| There was a review of Live Evil back in the day in Circus or Hit Parader magazine that had the line, "Dio is trying to sing N.I.B. like it is about something." |
So Geezer was writing about nothing? Do not all the songs have a meaning to them? |
Well that is what the reviewer wrote. I think that what he meant is that the Ozzy songs worked better with the monotone chanting drone that Ozzy did them in, but when Ronnie actually "sang" them they didn't work as well. Dio's versions sounded more weighty and accomplished which was more than the original approach intended.
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Oddly I swore I read that the Sabs themselves said they could do more with Ronnie than with Ozzy. Geezer talked about the differences and difficulties in writing for Ozzy.
A pro ozzy claim then was that Ronnie was singing over the guitar parts. Ronnie added more of the ooo ooo to it while Ozzy would already be giving himself whiplash on stage.
It would be incorrect to say what the original intention was. They could have wanted more but could not get that with Ozzy so had to scale back
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| Perhaps Ozzy simply sang many of them with little emotion to what the song character was going through while Ronnie added more emotionality to it. |
Definitely. But for me adding that level of sophistication to the Ozzy material brought mixed results. Some of the songs work great but others not as well. |
Mixed results had to do with Ozzy Sabbath fans inability to adjust. Plus limiting our comments to Live Evil does not do any justice. It is a limited sample and argumentally is not the best recording. I have heard better bootleg recordings that should have been on the album but live albums are as such ... we will record these shows and out of these shows we will make the live album. It does not cover the tour etc.
Paranoid I can agree should have been sung like someone on prozac. Ozzy can do that. But then again the guy is supposed to be paranoid so maybe he is supposed to sound paranoid as well.
But NIB? It is the devil falling in love. What, the Devil is on prozac too? Geezer talks about this song on those VHS tapes released right before Dehumanizer. Here is the devil falling in love and going shit I am the devil, I cannot be in love, I will only bring her down. Now how many in love dudes have you seen going around being monotone?
Black Sabbath? The dude is being chased by the devil and he is on prozac as well? Where did he find the energy to run?
To me the difference is 2D characters vs 3D characters. Ozzy never really told the story of the character. The music did. With Ronnie we got both.
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| To me the difference is 2D characters vs 3D characters. Ozzy never really told the story of the character. The music did. With Ronnie we got both. |
BRAVO ! 100% 
actually , thats what TRULY sets Dio apart from almost all the singers ive ever heard !
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| There was a review of Live Evil back in the day in Circus or Hit Parader magazine that had the line, "Dio is trying to sing N.I.B. like it is about something." |
So Geezer was writing about nothing? Do not all the songs have a meaning to them? |
Well that is what the reviewer wrote. I think that what he meant is that the Ozzy songs worked better with the monotone chanting drone that Ozzy did them in, but when Ronnie actually "sang" them they didn't work as well. Dio's versions sounded more weighty and accomplished which was more than the original approach intended.
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Oddly I swore I read that the Sabs themselves said they could do more with Ronnie than with Ozzy. Geezer talked about the differences and difficulties in writing for Ozzy.
A pro ozzy claim then was that Ronnie was singing over the guitar parts. Ronnie added more of the ooo ooo to it while Ozzy would already be giving himself whiplash on stage.
It would be incorrect to say what the original intention was. They could have wanted more but could not get that with Ozzy so had to scale back |
If the Sabs said that about Ronnie it more than likely referred to his abilities on the Ronnie material. And Ronnie does sing over guitarists in places where it isn't necessary. He has done it to Iommi, Craig, Vivian. I would guess he didn't do it to Ritchie or maybe started right before the end of his time in Rainbow.
The point was the original songs were created with the abilities at hand. Had Ronnie been the singer they would have been vastly different. That said, years later when a singer with more ability tackled songs that were known quantities, the difference in approach was very noticeable.
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| Perhaps Ozzy simply sang many of them with little emotion to what the song character was going through while Ronnie added more emotionality to it. |
Definitely. But for me adding that level of sophistication to the Ozzy material brought mixed results. Some of the songs work great but others not as well. |
Mixed results had to do with Ozzy Sabbath fans inability to adjust. Plus limiting our comments to Live Evil does not do any justice. It is a limited sample and argumentally is not the best recording. I have heard better bootleg recordings that should have been on the album but live albums are as such ... we will record these shows and out of these shows we will make the live album. It does not cover the tour etc. |
Perhaps some listeners were predisposed against Ronnie but maybe others gave Ronnie's interpretation a listen but decided they preferred the original versions. Live Evil may not be the best performance from the tour but these are the versions of Dio doing the Ozzy material that most people know.
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| Paranoid I can agree should have been sung like someone on prozac. Ozzy can do that. But then again the guy is supposed to be paranoid so maybe he is supposed to sound paranoid as well. |
There was another Circus or Hit Parader bit back around the time of Holy Diver or Last In Line where the magazine would play five tracks for a guitarist and ask their opinion about them. In one issue Viv Campbell was in the chair and one of the tracks was Paranoid from Live Evil. He didn't even realize it was Ronnie. Thought it some band doing a cover. When told it was his employer at the time, all he could offer up was that sometimes people have "off" nights on tours.
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| PBut NIB? It is the devil falling in love. What, the Devil is on prozac too? Geezer talks about this song on those VHS tapes released right before Dehumanizer. Here is the devil falling in love and going shit I am the devil, I cannot be in love, I will only bring her down. Now how many in love dudes have you seen going around being monotone? |
I must confess I never fully knew what NIB was about until reading your post. For me, on that song Ozzy's voice is like an instrument, emitting tones that follow the main riff so all I really comprehended was dah-dah-dah-DAH DAH-DAH, dah-dah-dah-dah all these years. And the occasional "oh yeah!" When Ronnie sang it all I could hear was the difference in approach. Now there was intonation and power behind the dah-dahs. Either way it isn't one of my fave sab tunes with either singer and the reason it was played and on Live Evil was its bass intro as Geezer's solo.
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| Black Sabbath? The dude is being chased by the devil and he is on prozac as well? Where did he find the energy to run? |
As the signature song for the band it is, it still isn't all that interesting a tune for me. Same thing with NIB applies here for me.
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| To me the difference is 2D characters vs 3D characters. Ozzy never really told the story of the character. The music did. With Ronnie we got both. |
You have a point that his versions added what was previously not there. I just don't think these additions improve things enough to make me like the songs like NIB and Black Sabbath any more than I did before. Now with War Pigs and COTG I definitely thought Ronnie's interpretation was a complement to the originals. |
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Without launching this into a full-on "Dio vs. Ozzy" tailspin, I gotta say it:
How can anyone here do so much Ozzy bashing? Without Ozzy, there would have been no legacy or even a job in Sabbath for Ronnie to fill in the first place. Give respect where it's due. |
LOL, that is like saying there would have been no car if it didn't have a front left tire. As if one could not get a front left tire.
There were three other people in that band to which created the sound of Sabbath. Without Ozzy the other three would have went on. The only definate would have been the vocals would have sounded different. We have no idea what that would have been like. It could have been worse, the same, or better.
Ozzy has shown a great deal of disrespect to Sabbath fans who were denied Sabbath all these years with their other tracks. We still to date do not have any OZZY Sabbath album.
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If the Sabs said that about Ronnie it more than likely referred to his abilities on the Ronnie material. And Ronnie does sing over guitarists in places where it isn't necessary. He has done it to Iommi, Craig, Vivian. I would guess he didn't do it to Ritchie or maybe started right before the end of his time in Rainbow.
The point was the original songs were created with the abilities at hand. Had Ronnie been the singer they would have been vastly different. That said, years later when a singer with more ability tackled songs that were known quantities, the difference in approach was very noticeable.
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The point missed is we are talking live versions vs studio versions. Ozzy did screw those songs up during live performances. Ronnie never got to sit in for studio versions of those songs.
The Elf cover of War Pigs proves to me that Ronnie can sing those songs.
As for Ritchie, he played many solos that added nothing to the mood of the song and was nothing short of him just showboating.
A song is an ensemble not consistant 10 minute guitar solos that take us away from the song and add those 10 minutes to a 3-4 minute track.
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Perhaps some listeners were predisposed against Ronnie but maybe others gave Ronnie's interpretation a listen but decided they preferred the original versions. Live Evil may not be the best performance from the tour but these are the versions of Dio doing the Ozzy material that most people know. |
Concert reviewers also panned Ozzy concerts during his earlier tours. So maybe you are right that they wanted the sound of the original versions. 
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There was another Circus or Hit Parader bit back around the time of Holy Diver or Last In Line where the magazine would play five tracks for a guitarist and ask their opinion about them. In one issue Viv Campbell was in the chair and one of the tracks was Paranoid from Live Evil. He didn't even realize it was Ronnie. Thought it some band doing a cover. When told it was his employer at the time, all he could offer up was that sometimes people have "off" nights on tours.
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What is this saying? Ozzy has his off nights. Again he did not get as many favorable reviews as some diehard ozzy fans want to believe. Viv himself on Holy Diver and subsequent tours did not play songs as well as on the studio releases.
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I must confess I never fully knew what NIB was about until reading your post. For me, on that song Ozzy's voice is like an instrument, emitting tones that follow the main riff so all I really comprehended was dah-dah-dah-DAH DAH-DAH, dah-dah-dah-dah all these years. And the occasional "oh yeah!" When Ronnie sang it all I could hear was the difference in approach. Now there was intonation and power behind the dah-dahs. Either way it isn't one of my fave sab tunes with either singer and the reason it was played and on Live Evil was its bass intro as Geezer's solo. |
All vocalists voices are instruments. Never said this was my favorite track so I don't see the point you make in dismissing it. My point was showing that the previous character was never realized. We never felt his lamenting soul over a love that he could never fully know.
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As the signature song for the band it is, it still isn't all that interesting a tune for me. Same thing with NIB applies here for me.
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Why does it have to interest you to critique it? It is not my favorite tune but that does not stop me from understanding the mood of the character in this musical play.
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You have a point that his versions added what was previously not there. I just don't think these additions improve things enough to make me like the songs like NIB and Black Sabbath any more than I did before. Now with War Pigs and COTG I definitely thought Ronnie's interpretation was a complement to the originals. |
Is that because you don't like those tracks to begin with or is this an honest critique? What was your feelings about the latter two before then? Did you love them before? Did you not like them but now love them due to those additions?
I see the additions as all the same just different ooos and ahhhs used here and there.
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There was another Circus or Hit Parader bit back around the time of Holy Diver or Last In Line where the magazine would play five tracks for a guitarist and ask their opinion about them. In one issue Viv Campbell was in the chair and one of the tracks was Paranoid from Live Evil. He didn't even realize it was Ronnie. Thought it some band doing a cover. When told it was his employer at the time, all he could offer up was that sometimes people have "off" nights on tours.
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What is this saying? Ozzy has his off nights. Again he did not get as many favorable reviews as some diehard ozzy fans want to believe. Viv himself on Holy Diver and subsequent tours did not play songs as well as on the studio releases. |
The only point was that Paranoid is immune to Ronnie.
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I must confess I never fully knew what NIB was about until reading your post. For me, on that song Ozzy's voice is like an instrument, emitting tones that follow the main riff so all I really comprehended was dah-dah-dah-DAH DAH-DAH, dah-dah-dah-dah all these years. And the occasional "oh yeah!" When Ronnie sang it all I could hear was the difference in approach. Now there was intonation and power behind the dah-dahs. Either way it isn't one of my fave sab tunes with either singer and the reason it was played and on Live Evil was its bass intro as Geezer's solo. |
All vocalists voices are instruments. Never said this was my favorite track so I don't see the point you make in dismissing it. My point was showing that the previous character was never realized. We never felt his lamenting soul over a love that he could never fully know. |
I'm not sure if Ronnie's version is any more realized. Well maybe a little.
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As the signature song for the band it is, it still isn't all that interesting a tune for me. Same thing with NIB applies here for me.
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Why does it have to interest you to critique it? It is not my favorite tune but that does not stop me from understanding the mood of the character in this musical play. |
Easier to critique something that is interesting in greater detail.
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You have a point that his versions added what was previously not there. I just don't think these additions improve things enough to make me like the songs like NIB and Black Sabbath any more than I did before. Now with War Pigs and COTG I definitely thought Ronnie's interpretation was a complement to the originals. |
Is that because you don't like those tracks to begin with or is this an honest critique? What was your feelings about the latter two before then? Did you love them before? Did you not like them but now love them due to those additions? |
My opinion was that they were not my most fave Sabbath tracks. Ronnie's interpretations didn't change that. |
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Without launching this into a full-on "Dio vs. Ozzy" tailspin, I gotta say it:
How can anyone here do so much Ozzy bashing? Without Ozzy, there would have been no legacy or even a job in Sabbath for Ronnie to fill in the first place. Give respect where it's due. |
LOL, that is like saying there would have been no car if it didn't have a front left tire. As if one could not get a front left tire.
There were three other people in that band to which created the sound of Sabbath. Without Ozzy the other three would have went on. The only definate would have been the vocals would have sounded different. We have no idea what that would have been like. It could have been worse, the same, or better.
Ozzy has shown a great deal of disrespect to Sabbath fans who were denied Sabbath all these years with their other tracks. We still to date do not have any OZZY Sabbath album. |
No, that's a terrible analogy in fact.
You've obviously missed the point entirely. Sabbath could have had Neil Sedaka as their original singer too but that was not the point. The fact is that Ozzy was there from the inception and like him or not, Ozzy made those songs famous, not Ronnie. Were it not for this fact, there would have been no Sabbath gig for Ronnie to begin with.
Can I make this any clearer?
Perhaps I should T-Y-P-E R-E-A-L S-L-O-W?
And for what it's worth, we still to date do not have any Ronnie Sabbath album either. We have 3 new tracks on a compilation vs. 2 new tracks on "Reunion". At least Reunion was a live album after 20 years, not a greatest hits comp. I'd say that alone earns it some hit points on it's own merit. The tour was a nice touch as well or hadn't you noticed?
Honestly, did you have anything valid to state or was this just a response for the sake of being argumentative? If it was the latter, that's a real shame because an argument is not very interesting without a point.
Or perhaps your point was to compare Dio to a spare tire? Analogies are just not your thing, trust me. |
Maybe you should type real slow because it is NOT Ozzy who made those songs famous it is Black Sabbath of which he was ONE part of and not the ENTIRETY. He didnt even write the music NOR the lyrics. Geeze worked with him on the melody line which had to be something that Ozzy could do.
Ronnie did NOT reform with Sabbath. They got together to make a few tracks for the compilation album and decided to go on the road to support that album's sales. UNLIKE the REUNION tour and them actually being a band again. To which did state they were making a full length album that has been postponed one year after the next. Instead they have been Ozzy's pet slave band for the last 10 years playing the same old songs.
SO again do WE NEED TO TYPE REAL SLOW FOR YOU? When Ronnie and them had a reunion back in the early 90s as in being a band again they did a FULL ALBUM. Ozzy has of yet to do so. All we have heard are excuses as to why another year postponement.
The front left tire was replaced by a BETTER grade of tire. Perhaps it is YOU that cannot understand relationships.
Every damn time we mention Ronnie and Sabbath we have to FUCKING mention Ozzy. He gets enough attention as it is.
ONCE AGAIN FOR THE MENTALLY IMPAIRED. IF Ozzy was never part of Sabbath NO ONE here can say that Sabbath would still not have formed and gone on. Their first album was more of a demonic hippy blues band than simply metal. Read the jacket on the just release Live Sabbath album. Notice how it does not state they single handedly created metal but were one of several who influenced the sound.
I love Sabbath and have all of their albums but some of you need to get off your knee pads. Perhaps Cpt Ripps you can get your ass back to places where one does not need to read.
On this just release live Album folks Ronnie is not going all over the place on those pre dio era tracks.
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I would like to add something to my original comments:
I still don't like the Dio versions of the old Ozzy material.
But I am willing to go further and state that I actually prefer Ozzy's Speak of the Devil to Black Sabbath's Live Evil if we are just talking about the original Sabbath tunes. I suppose I simply identify the old Sabbath classics with Ozzy's voice and will never enjoy them unless Ozzy is the one singing them. It doesn't matter that he isn't the best singer in the world. What matters to me is that his voice is the voice that made those songs classics.
A singer might come along and be able to cover the classics in a way which somehow adds something to the original versions. That is always a possibility. Ray Gillen covered those classics decently in concert because he had a powerful voice, yet he didn't try to sing the Ozzy material like an opera singer or with too much enunciation. Dio has a wonderful voice, but he did not sing the Ozzy songs on Live Evil well. He sounded like someone was poking him in the ribs with each word that came out of his mouth. Then when he sang his own songs, he did so brilliantly. Live Evil has one of my favorite versions of "Voodoo" because of the faster tempo and extended verbage. And, in all fairness, Dio wasn't the only member of the band that didn't perform well on Live Evil. Geezer couldn't even keep time on the intro to N.I.B. Disgraceful!
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I think Dio improves Iron Man and Children of the Grave. War Pigs is the same but he ruins Black Sabbath and of course Paranoid
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Okay, lets see:
Making fun of the other guys screenname - CHECK
Throwing the other guys jabs back at him verbatim - CHECK
Whining about the other guys point instead of defending it - CHECK
Questioning the other guys intelligence - CHECK
Citing album liner notes as validity of your opinion - CHECK
Mentioning knee pads - CHECK
Well, for a moderator of this board, you aren't very receptive to objective opinions. The results add up to one thing, you're a blowhard crybaby fanboy.
You wouldn't be related to a certain banned pedophile from Ohio by any chance now would ya?
Here's a tip Corky: Try keeping your hand out from under your kilt for a day and see if you can come up with a sensible reply once.
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Here's a tip for you ... no wait you can't see it. We will just have to wait for you to create another moniker again and pose as someone new.
LOL, you were a funny dude or dudess. We will miss you.
There is no such thing as objective opinions Sparky. Pst since you were implying that you read so much better than me then you read the part where I said Live Evil were not the best recordings and that I have other bootlegs, lots of them, that are much better versions. Were there not talks of overdubbed instruments on Live Evil. Perhaps false but I skip over Iommi's solo none the less. I have heard better from him.
So yeah, let's see. We get a CD of remastered tracks with 3 new songs on it (that did not take away the original artist that was on that track either), we got a live show from the Mob Rules tour and come this August we will get a Live CD from this Heaven and Hell tour. The stage show was a hell of a lot better as well. Paper bats blown by giant fans or fanboi's in your case do not rate to the Heaven and Hell stage show. What was great on that night so long ago was that Iommi's playing was really clean but then again that could have just been the contrast to Pantera who played really dirty. Most of the songs you could not tell what the hell they were till words were spoken and I ma refering to Pantera.
so yeah, WOW. Let's see 10 years ago we get a live concert and 2 new tracks and broken dreams and fallen promises etc etc just as we had post Dehumanizer with a reunion talk and Ozzy pulling out and as well in 1985 of an Ozzy/Sabbath reunion. Only a fanboy defends Ozzy's 10 year caging of Sabbath and not doing new material with them and then whines that we are supposed to bestow the man some honor and respect for caging of a band that we are discussing. Odd in that Ozzy admired the Beatles so I guess we have to mention them each time we mention Ozzy. If it weren't for the Beatles then we would have no Ozzy and we know what that means ... no Sabbath. I am sure the other three have influences as well so again we must pay homage to those bands each time we mention Sabbath for if it were not for them then we would not have Sabbath. Obviously then Ronnie would have ceased to exist. All of metal would never have happened and all of you non whiney non fanboi from nether regions of cyberspace would have not a place to go and make fun of others while you tell us that you are not being elitists nor do you take any of this seriously.
I have all of Ozzy's solo stuff as well. But yeah I am just a fanboi. I spelled it like you know it, right? Tell your circle of friends hi will ya. I am sure the kilt comment came out of the blue or that you actually spent time going to my links to come up with some material for a witty comeback. Plus where did the Ohio comment come from?
Since you are now gone I guess it is fruitless to bring up the link to the reviews of Ozzy's first tour.
And again if anyone does not like Ronnie's versions fine by me but that does not mean anyone cannot make a comment. There are better versions out there. On the just released live CD from London I think he actually sings many of the older sabbath material better than he sings what he wrote.
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The Cap'n in a KILT!?  Oh lord the other pirates are going to mutiny and make you walk the plank!
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Wow! What a surprise! Another thread in the Dio fourm turned into a bashing of Ozzy!!! I'm at a loss for words. I mean, how much longer is going to go on for? WE KNOW YOU ALL LIKE RONNIE BETTER THAN OZZY. You wouldn't be a member of the official Dio fourm if you didn't! I think that Ronnie butchered Paranoid and Children Of The Grave, but did very well on War Pigs, NIB. But why is there so much hate against Ozzy? Despite all the bullshit with Sharon and what's he deteiorated into, the fact is that he has made some FANSTASTIC metal music with Sabbath and on his own. I can't even beging to explain the frustation that builds up inside of me when i read fans on this fourm who bash Ozzy for NO reason other than (gasp) that fact that more people relate him with Black Sabbath than they do Ronnie! Why does it matter? Look at all the great music Ronnie made BEFORE and AFTER Sabbath with Rainbow and DIO. What does it matter??? What will this bashing of Ozzy accomplish? NOTHING. that's what. Please please, just enjoy the fact that we were blessed with two tremendous artists who produced some of the greatest heavy metal our ears have ever been fourtunate enough to listen to. I'm expecting some hate from you people, though, because (gasp again) i didn't say i hated Ozzy. In fact, i'm listening to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath right now! Oh my! I must hate Ronnie, right? Give me a break!
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Hear hear.
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