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Stained Class
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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: Live Evil - The Ozzy Songs |
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So, what do you guys (and ladies of course) think of the Ozzy songs sung by Dio on the Live Evil album?
For me personally some of the songs work fantastically such as Children of Grave, Iron Man and War Pigs.
Some songs however just don't suit Dio's vocals - expecially Paranoid. Paranoid to me should have been left for Ozzy to do, it's just not in a style which suits Dio's voice. To me it just sounds weak.
As for the song Black Sabbath, I still can't choose yet - I really need to listen to the more before I decide.
[On a side note I am really glad that Heaven & Hell are just touring Dio-era material, since it means more room for songs which didn't appear on Live Evil - such as the Dehumanizer tracks and the awsome new tracks]
[One last side note - a question - on Live evil Dio mentions that the show is being filmed. Was this footage ever released? If this has been asked to death I'm sorry but I'm just curious as to what happened with it] |
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DevinMacGregor
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Live Evil - The Ozzy Songs |
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So, what do you guys (and ladies of course) think of the Ozzy songs sung by Dio on the Live Evil album?
For me personally some of the songs work fantastically such as Children of Grave, Iron Man and War Pigs.
Some songs however just don't suit Dio's vocals - expecially Paranoid. Paranoid to me should have been left for Ozzy to do, it's just not in a style which suits Dio's voice. To me it just sounds weak.
As for the song Black Sabbath, I still can't choose yet - I really need to listen to the more before I decide.
[On a side note I am really glad that Heaven & Hell are just touring Dio-era material, since it means more room for songs which didn't appear on Live Evil - such as the Dehumanizer tracks and the awsome new tracks]
[One last side note - a question - on Live evil Dio mentions that the show is being filmed. Was this footage ever released? If this has been asked to death I'm sorry but I'm just curious as to what happened with it] |
Songs like Paranoid were considered must played songs for Sabbath hence why he sang them.
Since they are showcasing Black Sabbath: The Dio Years why would they play Ozzy era material? They aren't playing post Dio as well.
The live footage came out in a release called Black N Blue. It featured live footage of Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult. I watched it eons ago on a cable channel called ON. There is supposedly copies of this release floating around. Not to be confused with the band of the same name. I don't recall there ever being an official release of these recordings that could be bought by the public. Do a search for it on this site. We have talked about it before.
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not totally sure about this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OLiTsVBH4zo
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I do not enjoy hearing Dio sing Ozzy era songs. His style is not well-suited to most of the material.
There is a live recording of Elf covering "War Pigs" that actually sounds much better than when Dio sang it with Sabbath. Strangely, that is the only Dio version of an Ozzy song that I truly enjoy.
Side Note: I found a short video on Youtube about a supposed DVD release from the Live Evil tour. Has this been released or is this a hoax of some sort?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OLiTsVBH4zo
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I think Dio improved on the original version of NIB and War pigs but Paranoid ,Children of the grave and Iron man were better by Ozzy (Ozzy then not now).On the other hand,I cannot think of a single Dio tune Ozzy would be able to handle then or now.
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I like War Pigs and Children of the Grave. They work best of the Ozzy material with Ronnie.
I don't think NIB, Black Sabbath, Iron Man or Paranoid really work that well. Ronnie's voice is not suited to the chanting type singing that Ozzy employs on those songs, it is too good for them.
There was a review of Live Evil back in the day in Circus or Hit Parader magazine that had the line, "Dio is trying to sing N.I.B. like it is about something."
That seems to be the main problem. Ronnie also did Sweet Leaf on the original H&H tour. The vibe is just wrong as Ronnie and Ozzy are so different. The Born Again tour had Ian Gillan doing both Ozzy and Ronnie material so he was up against the same problem. Gillan did add his own stamp to H&H as he would add "of the moon" to the end of the line "the sooner you know, that you're dreaming."
The current tour with just the Dio Sabbath material is great.
As for information about the Live Evil video footage, here is a place with some really good info about that:
http://sabbathlive.com/lists/81MR-vid.html
I have seen some of the excerpts and raw footage mentioned there on some circulating bootlegs but so far the holy grail of an entire show has not surfaced if it ever will. Unfortunate. I wonder if the H&H organization is attempting to put out some additional early material. Hopefully they will try and track down this footage and release it if possible.
And the Black and Blue film was made during the original H&H tour, not the Mob Rules one which Live Evil is from.
http://sabbathlive.com/lists/80HH-vid.html
The Black and Blue show is out there circulating on DVD in traders circles. There was also a South American unofficial release that came out a few years ago. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| artcinco wrote: |
| There was a review of Live Evil back in the day in Circus or Hit Parader magazine that had the line, "Dio is trying to sing N.I.B. like it is about something." |
So Geezer was writing about nothing? Do not all the songs have a meaning to them? Perhaps Ozzy simply sang many of them with little emotion to what the song character was going through while Ronnie added more emotionality to it.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| DevinMacGregor wrote: |
| artcinco wrote: |
| There was a review of Live Evil back in the day in Circus or Hit Parader magazine that had the line, "Dio is trying to sing N.I.B. like it is about something." |
So Geezer was writing about nothing? Do not all the songs have a meaning to them? Perhaps Ozzy simply sang many of them with little emotion to what the song character was going through while Ronnie added more emotionality to it. |
I think that's what they meant, but used the wrong wording...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| I've never thought Black Sabbath sounded that good; not bad but Ozzy's version is far superior. I really liked the way he sang Paranoid and War Pigs but the very best has to be N.I.B. Probably an improvement over the original in fact. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| DevinMacGregor wrote: |
| artcinco wrote: |
| There was a review of Live Evil back in the day in Circus or Hit Parader magazine that had the line, "Dio is trying to sing N.I.B. like it is about something." |
So Geezer was writing about nothing? Do not all the songs have a meaning to them? |
Well that is what the reviewer wrote. I think that what he meant is that the Ozzy songs worked better with the monotone chanting drone that Ozzy did them in, but when Ronnie actually "sang" them they didn't work as well. Dio's versions sounded more weighty and accomplished which was more than the original approach intended.
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| Perhaps Ozzy simply sang many of them with little emotion to what the song character was going through while Ronnie added more emotionality to it. |
Definitely. But for me adding that level of sophistication to the Ozzy material brought mixed results. Some of the songs work great but others not as well. |
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Personally I feel that Dio performs War Pigs, Children of the Grave, and Black Sabbath very well....maybe almost better than Ozzy.
Dio really had no business touching N.I.B and Paranoid....no offense to Ronnie at all but they just sound too different and don't have the same vibe when sung by Ronnie....or any other vocalist for that matter.
I was never a big fan of Iron Man to begin with so I'm not going to comment on that song.....
I would love to hear the Dio vocals on Sweet Leaf....just out of curiosity. I couldn't imagine it sounding better than Ozzy either though.
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Alright ...
first of all , i have to say that am a HUGE fan of both the original and the Dio era Black Sabbath ...
2nd. I cant really understand or perspect how the people are even comparing Dio's live performance of such classics compared to Ozzy .....
The song Black Sabbath , was never ever , performed so techincally and evilish the way it was performed by Ronnie
with all respect , Ronnie just pulls that off PERFECTLY !
Ronnie knows , feels and understands everysingle word that is coming out of his mouth , you can easily connect emotionally much more with Dio than you do with Ozzy on his own songs , Dio add his own improvised bits and unpredictable parts which always , and i mean ALWAYS add to the song ...
Same goes to other classics as War pigs , N.I.B , Children of the grave and Iron man ! Ronnie's seems to be a true fans to these songs , and just as mentioned before , he sings his heart out on those ! i know he wasnt willing to perform Paranoid during the time and that he was forced to do so , YET ! i still disagree that Ozzy sounds better than Ronnie , actually as time goes on , it was more clear to me how Ozzy's legendary legacy was built on the shoulders of other great artists !
Ozzy's contribution to Sabbath was absolutly very very weak ! he barely wrote any lyrics or music , very very few songs , comparing his singing abilities to some one like Ronnie would be a plain joke and even during his solo career , most of the songs were written by other members as in the case of Bob Daisley & Lee , i eveb read that members that wanted to join Ozzy had to drop their contribution music rights to Ozzy ! ( no wonder , thanks to Sharon!)
If we take a true constructive look at Ozzy's solo career , i cant really tell there are any CLASSIC albums other than his first 2 with Randy , Bark at the moon with Jake E.Lee and the live album Tribute ( Randy's line up as well ) ... Zakk is a brilliant guitarlayer yet i truly beleive that his contribution to the Ozzy camp is wayyyyy overrated ! come on guys , albums like ozzmosis and No more tears are very average albums & compared to the his EX-AXE players it doesnt do him any favour being compared to Randy or even Jake !
anyway , bottomline , Ronnie kicked some serious @ss on the original line-up tracks , if the mixing and recording of Live Evil was much better , it would have been one of the best live albums ever in my humble opinion , Live in Hammersmith might make it though ! 
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I wouldn't mind hearing William Shatner perform renditions of Ronnie's versions of the classic original Black Sabbath songs.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| Ozzy's legendary legacy was built on the shoulders of other great artists |
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I definitely agree here Iron Man, I've just read a review with Bob Daisly and it has opened my eyes to what Ozzy is truely like and I admit to feeling guilty for buying the dubbed versions of Ozzy's first two albums and a little ripped off - the drumming on some of the songs is appalling and as for the bass...  
Ozzy was definitely a limited singer, but had a sound which fitted the songs written for him and still enjoy the music that he has been hired to sing on. However without that vocal style, Sabbath would never have took off and I'm not going to discriminate againt him for being inferior to dio - otherwise I'd like very few singers! 
Thanks to the external songwriters and limited Ozzy input, most of "his solo albums" offer good value for money.
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| Zakk is a brilliant guitarlayer yet i truly beleive that his contribution to the Ozzy camp is wayyyyy overrated ! |
True, I find Zakks Black Label Society and Pride & Glory/Solo material to be far better, although I think he needs to tone down the amount of pinch harmonics he uses per second on some songs - I find a little overkill in places.
Back on topic, I definitely think that Paranoid was the only clunker of the Ozzy tracks on Live Evil. It is a definitive Ozzy song and closely linked to Ozzy both in Sabbs and solo. I think the best bet would have been to drop it from the set and play Falling off the Edge of the World which I think they have done with Heaven & Hell shows (but I'm not 100% certain).
One thing that sticks in my mind, was a comment that Geezer had to tell Ozzy how sing lines in the songs and that all of the other singers didn't need any such guidance. Dio is definitely a huge influence in style bringing new life to the Ozzy tracks as well as the band - I mean compare selling my soul & psycho man with the three new Dio-era tracksm there is now competition Ozzy drones on monotonically while Dio brings emotion, style and depth - and contributes significantly to the song writing process. |
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