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Misstreated
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| What information do you base that on? He had a drug and booz problem but wasn't stammering around like now, he was just wild as if any of us here could say any different. I've never been that big of a fan of Ozzy but he's played his part in the music world. |
Watch the Never say die tour, where he's jumping up and down like a complete idiot clapping his hands giving shitty performances and forgetting his lyrics. Watch the 80s interviews, where he's babbling and stammering about groupies getting epileptic seizures while giving him blowjobs. Listen to interviews by Bob Daisley talking about how Ozzy brought nothing to the songs of Blizzard and Diary but instead was getting drunk somewhere when the rest wrote the music. |
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| GUITARGOD wrote: |
| What information do you base that on? He had a drug and booz problem but wasn't stammering around like now, he was just wild as if any of us here could say any different. I've never been that big of a fan of Ozzy but he's played his part in the music world. |
Watch the Never say die tour, where he's jumping up and down like a complete idiot clapping his hands giving shitty performances and forgetting his lyrics. Watch the 80s interviews, where he's babbling and stammering about groupies getting epileptic seizures while giving him blowjobs. Listen to interviews by Bob Daisley talking about how Ozzy brought nothing to the songs of Blizzard and Diary but instead was getting drunk somewhere when the rest wrote the music. |
In that other thread I had a link to 80-81 concert reviews. Read many of them. They talk about how he forgets words to songs and sung the same verse over again. One basically equated him to be that wind up chimp that bangs the cymbals together. Most of the reviews though gave props to the musicians.
Maybe people were just high and/or on drugs while at the concert.
For the studio LPs they can do whatever they want to his voice to make it sound good and if he cannot remember the words they just start over.
There has never been a denying from me that he has not done his part but I never thought this was all of a sudden a new thing. Ozzy can't sing any of the post Ozzy Sabbath stuff now and could not 10 years ago. They rehearsed and it did not work out. It is not simply because of Sharon. Ozzy cannot do it. I believe Geezer (in reference to writing songs in Sabbath) said he would have to write Ozzy's parts and tell him how to sing it. Geezer said for other singers he did not have to do that and they did their part.
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DevinMacGregor
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:02 am Post subject: Re: Ozzy Osbourne |
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I'm getting tired of reading all the endless Ozzy-bashing that goes on here. He gets far more stick than any other artist/band/singer, and I think it's unjustified. |
He gets that because he was a member of Black Sabbath to which the political majority opinion says invented Metal. He gets that because he keeps pushing off a Black Sabbath album stating other commitments like getting a face lift or his stomach fat sucked out. He gets that because he and sharon stated that Ozzfest was created to SAVE Metal. They were not doing it to rape us of our money because they were being good samaritans of Metal and saving it from the clutches of obscurity. He gets that for allowing his wife to pimp his family on TV to make them laughing stocks to the non metal world who just looked at it as a way to look more down upon metal and that lifestyle.
I do not see it as endless because most of the conversations are not about Ozzy.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Ozzy Osbourne |
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OK I just checked all the pages in General Chat and couldn't find a topic solely for Ozzy Osbourne, so here's one.
I'm getting tired of reading all the endless Ozzy-bashing that goes on here. He gets far more stick than any other artist/band/singer, and I think it's unjustified.
I'd like this to be a topic for discussing Ozzy as Ozzy. Not Sharon, The Osbournes, or any of the other crap that goes along with it. |
May have something to do with all the DIO bashing the osbournes have done down the years...at least Ronnies getting a rest now that IRON MAIDEN are the current favourite osbourne bashing victims..!!  |
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I think it's usually Sharon or the rest of the family which get involved in the slagging off of other bands. Ozzy rarely makes comments like that.
And OK, so he made comments about Ronnie. Ronnie has made comments about Ozzy. Yet that conveniently gets forgotten on here. I am a massive fan of both, and I fail to see why being a fan of one should mean disliking the other, and belittling them at every possible opportunity.
There are also a lot of singers who don't contribute much to the writing process. Tarja Turunen of Nightwish for example had no input. The first Skid Row album, Sebastian Bach co-wrote one track. And if you go back to artists like Jerry Lee Lewis and the like, a huge portion of their songs were covers or not written by them at all. And yet for them it's OK. If you look at the writing credits in all of Ozzy's solo albums, he is credited with writing input. Just because he doesn't have Ronnie's input doesn't make him bad.
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I have never seen any of this stuff, not saying it's not there, I just haven't seen it, like I said I've never been a big Ozzy fan. The guy most likely is just a victom of his own drug and drinking problems. 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: hello |
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| Ozzy is great. I love his stuff! I know he is old but he was great at what he does and did. He has made far more money than Dio. dio is a better singer but Ozzy has a hook. I heard the new album was wrote between him and Zakk. I hope he does not comeout with stuff wrote by Desmond Child,Jack blades or Tommy Shaw. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: Re: hello |
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| Ozzy is great. I love his stuff! I know he is old but he was great at what he does and did. He has made far more money than Dio. dio is a better singer but Ozzy has a hook. I heard the new album was wrote between him and Zakk. I hope he does not comeout with stuff wrote by Desmond Child,Jack blades or Tommy Shaw. |
I love Ozzy....but do you really think he wrote some of these songs
I think Zakk....is doing what Bob Daisley did and is writing most of the songs...or a ghost songwriter is keep their mouth shut for $.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| GUITARGOD wrote: |
| What information do you base that on? He had a drug and booz problem but wasn't stammering around like now, he was just wild as if any of us here could say any different. I've never been that big of a fan of Ozzy but he's played his part in the music world. |
Watch the Never say die tour, where he's jumping up and down like a complete idiot clapping his hands giving shitty performances and forgetting his lyrics. Watch the 80s interviews, where he's babbling and stammering about groupies getting epileptic seizures while giving him blowjobs. Listen to interviews by Bob Daisley talking about how Ozzy brought nothing to the songs of Blizzard and Diary but instead was getting drunk somewhere when the rest wrote the music. |
...Watch misstreated Babble on about Shit that doesn't matter!... ...the end result of ANY Ozzy or Sabbath record has been spectacular...if ya dont like it...dont listen!...get your OWN life...  |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: Re: hello |
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| c.o.d. wrote: |
| Ozzy is great. I love his stuff! I know he is old but he was great at what he does and did. He has made far more money than Dio. dio is a better singer but Ozzy has a hook. I heard the new album was wrote between him and Zakk. I hope he does not comeout with stuff wrote by Desmond Child,Jack blades or Tommy Shaw. |
I love Ozzy....but do you really think he wrote some of these songs
I think Zakk....is doing what Bob Daisley did and is writing most of the songs...or a ghost songwriter is keep their mouth shut for $. |
I am sure Zakk will have alot to do with it. Ozzy better call Bob Daisley and Geezar butler. I think some of his stuff was bought out right and he puts his name on it. |
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| GUITARGOD wrote: |
| What information do you base that on? He had a drug and booz problem but wasn't stammering around like now, he was just wild as if any of us here could say any different. I've never been that big of a fan of Ozzy but he's played his part in the music world. |
Watch the Never say die tour, where he's jumping up and down like a complete idiot clapping his hands giving shitty performances and forgetting his lyrics. Watch the 80s interviews, where he's babbling and stammering about groupies getting epileptic seizures while giving him blowjobs. Listen to interviews by Bob Daisley talking about how Ozzy brought nothing to the songs of Blizzard and Diary but instead was getting drunk somewhere when the rest wrote the music. |
...Watch misstreated Babble on about Shit that doesn't matter!... ...the end result of ANY Ozzy or Sabbath record has been spectacular...if ya dont like it...dont listen!...get your OWN life... |
Ironically, Bobby, it doesn't appear Misstreated was babbling about shit that doesn't matter. Rather, Misstreated was giving examples of Ozzy's early behavior, something the poster was ASKED about. I don't see what your problem is regarding that. However, I completely agree with your second comment about the end result on the albums being good.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Ozzy Osbourne |
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| The ONLY problem I have with Ozzy is the removing Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake from the Blizzard of OZZ and Diary of a Madman remastered versions of the CDs. Bob wrote a good chunk of the words and music on both CDs. Thats just plain old mean if you ask me. But other than that... i have nothing against him. |
It is my understanding that Sharon had more to do with that since it was a "business decision." |
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Marshall Guru....a "business decision."....that would have cost Sharon millions had it went to court.
I wonder how much Bob Daisley got?
And I hope it was a bloody lot of dosh! 
Do you say that in USA.....dosh=$ |
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DevinMacGregor
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I think it's usually Sharon or the rest of the family which get involved in the slagging off of other bands. Ozzy rarely makes comments like that.
And OK, so he made comments about Ronnie. Ronnie has made comments about Ozzy. Yet that conveniently gets forgotten on here. I am a massive fan of both, and I fail to see why being a fan of one should mean disliking the other, and belittling them at every possible opportunity.
There are also a lot of singers who don't contribute much to the writing process. Tarja Turunen of Nightwish for example had no input. The first Skid Row album, Sebastian Bach co-wrote one track. And if you go back to artists like Jerry Lee Lewis and the like, a huge portion of their songs were covers or not written by them at all. And yet for them it's OK. If you look at the writing credits in all of Ozzy's solo albums, he is credited with writing input. Just because he doesn't have Ronnie's input doesn't make him bad. |
I can dislike him and own his CDs but I do recognize those on those albums not just him. I have all his studios and all of Sabbath's studios.
I think people react to the added hype. When you find out what a person's actual contribution is it puts a different light on it when people around you are saying Ozzy leaped through rings of fire and invented bubble gum. People keep making excuses for the man and blaming his wife. Not to mention the repetitive Ozzy vs Dio threads that have to happen here.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I think it's usually Sharon or the rest of the family which get involved in the slagging off of other bands. Ozzy rarely makes comments like that.
And OK, so he made comments about Ronnie. Ronnie has made comments about Ozzy. Yet that conveniently gets forgotten on here. I am a massive fan of both, and I fail to see why being a fan of one should mean disliking the other, and belittling them at every possible opportunity.
There are also a lot of singers who don't contribute much to the writing process. Tarja Turunen of Nightwish for example had no input. The first Skid Row album, Sebastian Bach co-wrote one track. And if you go back to artists like Jerry Lee Lewis and the like, a huge portion of their songs were covers or not written by them at all. And yet for them it's OK. If you look at the writing credits in all of Ozzy's solo albums, he is credited with writing input. Just because he doesn't have Ronnie's input doesn't make him bad. |
What comments has Ronnie made about ozzy..?..apart from his comments of praise for him..eg 'he is the king of rock'n' roll' and that 'he was black sabbath'.....Ronnie criticised the 'osbourne show' but not ozzy personally...and it was sharon who reccomended ronnie to tony iommi when ozzy was booted out of sabbath..!!!!!! |
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