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Holymagica
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 Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: The Art of Dio |
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I have had it with polls and putting Dio song against Dio song,
Just seems crazy to me....as I said in a post today,on another topic,
Everyone of Dio cds captures a different moment in time or a different mood of the time,Dio songs are like paintings to me,
Packed with colour and dramatic scenes but all painted with different but distinctive style but all identifiable as Ronnie Jame Dio
So I am gonna talk about the cds individually,
And start with Master of the Moon
I am not looking for which song is the best,
There is no winners or losers songs...
I just want to know...what Master of the Moon,
Means to you.....which songs you like the most,
And if like me...you have the running order different from the cd,
Which I have on my mp3 player.
Running order for me listening to this cd is...
Living The Lie
The Eyes
In Dreams
Death By Love
The Man Who Would Be King
The End Of The World
Master Of The Moon
Shivers
I Am
One More For The Road
I just think the cd flows better with this running order,
Anyway this is what I think of some of the songs...if I don't mention some of the songs its simply becoz...I don't want this to be review,
These thoughts are personal and more than a plug to buy this cd.
I like the tempo of ''Living in the Lie'',the way Simon comes in with the drums at the start,followed by Craig's guitar riff,he makes it sound easy,but thats one of the reasons I rated him so highly becoz he can do that,the solo is just perfect...lots of substance and perfect for the song,Now the Master himself...vocals sound the same from when the first Dio cd was released...maybe even better...lyrics have that Dio touch to them,there is certain words,I always look forward to in his lyrics,
Always like hearing Dio sing certain words....and he never lets me down...its just one of the things I love about Dio.
The Eyes is one of those songs that should sit next to all other classics performed by Dio,the rhythmic guitar riff is fascinating,grabs you right away.
I will return to this later ............But for the time being....I want to know some of your thoughts about ''Master of the Moon''.
Again this is not about the other cds....This is just about Master of the Moon,When I am writing this...I am thinking this is the only Dio cd there is.So my intense enthusiasm comes from this. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Bobby66
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| agentalbert wrote: |
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...Better to be a Smart Ass then a Dumb Ass!...   ...I love MOTM...Tired now...I'll get to my review later HM...Nite!...  |
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Holymagica
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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More of my thoughts on Master of the Moon.
When my friends getting talking about this cd,sometimes over a few beers in our local pub,
one thing is that is always repeated in the conversation.
There is lots of killer riffs and solos,
Craig always seems to create a classic guitar sound,he never sounds flash,
Lots of care and attention on the fret board,''Death by Love'',
is one of those songs that Craig does this effortlessly on,Ronnie sings this song with lyrics thoughtfully,
Its a great composition,melodically and forever Dio.
Folks say ''The Man that would be King'' is about Bush,but is it a political song,I don't know for sure,I never looking deeply into the meanings,
of what message Dio is trying to say,its easy to say its about Mr Bush,but I at the sametime it could be about any World Leader,even Mr Blair,
I say that becoz of the line in the song ''We never got an answer, the question slipped my mind
I've been so busy killing, I haven't found the time''so many in our Governments...live there life dodging the real questions,while our sons and fathers overseas are dodging the bullets.Political lyrics from Ronnie but is it about what is happening today,or is he really talking about Henry VIII ,see thats the beauty of Dio's lyrics,
if you know the history of Henry VIII he was always born to be King,he was always fighting with his government or the church,reformation had produced dangerous Protestant-Roman Catholic differences in the Kingdom. The monasteries' wealth had been spent on wars and had also built up the economic strength of the aristocracy and other families in the counties, which in turn was to encourage ambitious Tudor court factions.I am British so the song can be open to many different interpretations,And Dio does have a love of history,so who knows,but I think its a very important song and statement,I really love the way the whole band comes together in this song.
I will return to this later ............ |
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I wish to notice, that at us in city where I live do not sell it so strongly disks, but have heard to songs of this album on a site amazon.com where they sell to me it was pleasant its songs and sounding. I shall try to learn as me to buy from them a disk for one reason, that I live in Russia where was Dio passing near us and gave tour.
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| Holymagica wrote: |
Folks say ''The Man that would be King'' is about Bush,but is it a political song,I don't know for sure,I never looking deeply into the meanings,
of what message Dio is trying to say,its easy to say its about Mr Bush,but I at the sametime it could be about any World Leader,even Mr Blair,
I say that becoz of the line in the song ''We never got an answer, the question slipped my mind
I've been so busy killing, I haven't found the time''so many in our Governments...live there life dodging the real questions,while our sons and fathers overseas are dodging the bullets.Political lyrics from Ronnie but is it about what is happening today,or is he really talking about Henry VIII ,see thats the beauty of Dio's lyrics,
if you know the history of Henry VIII he was always born to be King,he was always fighting with his government or the church,reformation had produced dangerous Protestant-Roman Catholic differences in the Kingdom. The monasteries' wealth had been spent on wars and had also built up the economic strength of the aristocracy and other families in the counties, which in turn was to encourage ambitious Tudor court factions.I am British so the song can be open to many different interpretations,And Dio does have a love of history,so who knows,but I think its a very important song and statement,I really love the way the whole band comes together in this song.
I will return to this later ............ |
Holy, I found this for you:
Interview
Ronnie James Dio
Jeb Wright, September 2004
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Jeb: Next up is “The Man Who Would Be King.” This is about the only fantasy type track on the album.
RJD: That song could have been on Magica. When I started writing this album I wanted to do Magica II and III. Due to time restraints, I didn’t think I could do a proper job so I decided to do a normal album. I was in Magica mode and this song came out. It started out to be a song about Richard The Lionhearted, who led the first Crusades back in the 9th Century. He sends solders down to Jerusalem to take the city back from the infidels, who were the Islamic people. As I wrote the song it began to sound like George Bush to me. We have solders dying in the Middle East for what I think is no apparent reason. The song evolved into a correlation between the Crusades and what is going on now. I guess that kind of shows that the world really doesn’t change now does it? In those days they had bows, arrows and knives and now we have nuclear weapons that could destroy the earth. This song is my little political statement but I am not a political person. I don’t think musicians should be that. I am not going to stop a war. The only thing that will stop a war is the number of body bags lined up on the pier and the amount of mothers and fathers crying for them.
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The whole interview, exclusively about MOTM, is here:
http://www.catch-the-rainbow.com/Interviews/RJD-Sept04/RJD-Sept04.htm |
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Holymagica
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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blacksheep06A 
Thanx my friend! |
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FindTheSacredHeart
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: Re: The Art of Dio |
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| Holymagica wrote: |
I have had it with polls and putting Dio song against Dio song,
Just seems crazy to me..... |
HolyMagica... Thats a knock at me (Findthesacredheart) isnt it? lol. I think it's totally appropriate to compare Dio's album from across his career, the man himself does it! I quote some things he has said in interviews: (In my own words from what i re-call, ill try my best not to put words in his mouth, but the meaning is still the same)
"Angry Machines is my least favourite album, it's very confusing to me"
-September 2004
"Holy Diver and Heaven and Hell are my favourite albums"
-Interview from a festival, sometime in 2004
"I don't wanna go back to the honkey-tonk blues of Elf, that's not what im into anymore"
-Several interviews he has said that
Anyways, my point is each Dio album from Elf-DIO is up for debate. Lets face it- Elfs first album is no where near quality of Long Live Rock and Roll from Rainbow, as Lock up the Wolves is no near quality of heaven and hell from sab. I think it's ignorant to say : "ALL DIO ALBUMS ARE GOOD, END OF DEBATE NO MORE QUESTIONS!!!  " lol... get my point? Im not bad-mouthing anything Ronnie has done, but we should still compare the essence of his music from Elf to the heavy metal sounds of DIO, with Sab and Rainbow in-between.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Master of the Moon |
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| Ronnie has still got "it" even at his age, something none of the other singers I listen to have (Ian Gillan, Ozzy Osbourne, etc). I really enjoy Master of the Moon as an album, one of my favorites I'd say. |
What the hell? Ian Gillan most certainly has got it. He performed flawlessley at Monsters of Rock this year with Deep Purple. If that doesn't convince you, check out Gillan's Inn.
And Ozzy never had 'it' to begin with. Just a morbid voice that crawls through the motions.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Master of the Moon |
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| Rainbow_Lightning wrote: |
| Ronnie has still got "it" even at his age, something none of the other singers I listen to have (Ian Gillan, Ozzy Osbourne, etc). I really enjoy Master of the Moon as an album, one of my favorites I'd say. |
What the hell? Ian Gillan most certainly has got it. He performed flawlessley at Monsters of Rock this year with Deep Purple. If that doesn't convince you, check out Gillan's Inn.
And Ozzy never had 'it' to begin with. Just a morbid voice that crawls through the motions. |
When you compare Dio's voice to the voices of his peers it's obvious it is Ronnie who rules. However, Gillan, Plant, Halford are not far behind. They really do a good job as far as vocals go. The only problem that some of the fans have is that G, P, H don't use the upper register as often as they used to. In fact Gillan's lost his falsetto (which undeniably was his trademark in the 70's), Plant's limited the agressive way of singing and Halford's upper tones are clearly not what they used to be. But those guys just try to adjust to the fact that they are not getting younger. Same with Ronnie: it is totally understandable that his voice isn't as clear as it was. The overall impression is that currently he has the best voice, when compared to other 'oldies'
Ozzy? OH, PLEASE. Not in the same league... |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Master of the Moon |
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| Brollachan wrote: |
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| Rainbow_Lightning wrote: |
| Ronnie has still got "it" even at his age, something none of the other singers I listen to have (Ian Gillan, Ozzy Osbourne, etc). I really enjoy Master of the Moon as an album, one of my favorites I'd say. |
What the hell? Ian Gillan most certainly has got it. He performed flawlessley at Monsters of Rock this year with Deep Purple. If that doesn't convince you, check out Gillan's Inn.
And Ozzy never had 'it' to begin with. Just a morbid voice that crawls through the motions. |
When you compare Dio's voice to the voices of his peers it's obvious it is Ronnie who rules. However, Gillan, Plant, Halford are not far behind. They really do a good job as far as vocals go. The only problem that some of the fans have is that G, P, H don't use the upper register as often as they used to. In fact Gillan's lost his falsetto (which undeniably was his trademark in the 70's), Plant's limited the agressive way of singing and Halford's upper tones are clearly not what they used to be. But those guys just try to adjust to the fact that they are not getting younger. Same with Ronnie: it is totally understandable that his voice isn't as clear as it was. The overall impression is that currently he has the best voice, when compared to other 'oldies'
Ozzy? OH, PLEASE. Not in the same league... |
Dio doesn't sing in falsetto much, but his "blend" area is and always was the best of them all! None of the guys you mention have the output and resonance all the way through the passage like Dio does.And on top of it all he still does it at 65!! I doubt any of the others will make it to 65, let alone sing!
I'm sitting here thinking and I honestly can't come up with any other in the same league...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Master of the Moon |
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| romvert wrote: |
Dio doesn't sing in falsetto much, but his "blend" area is and always was the best of them all! None of the guys you mention have the output and resonance all the way through the passage like Dio does.And on top of it all he still does it at 65!! I doubt any of the others will make it to 65, let alone sing!
I'm sitting here thinking and I honestly can't come up with any other in the same league... |
I completely agree.
Oh, and Ozzie was never really a singer. Just a frontman who's now a cliche of himself and a cartoon character. He's become the buffoon mascot for metal in general, sadly. 
Sorry the rant, HM! |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Master of the Moon |
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| Brollachan wrote: |
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| Rainbow_Lightning wrote: |
| Ronnie has still got "it" even at his age, something none of the other singers I listen to have (Ian Gillan, Ozzy Osbourne, etc). I really enjoy Master of the Moon as an album, one of my favorites I'd say. |
What the hell? Ian Gillan most certainly has got it. He performed flawlessley at Monsters of Rock this year with Deep Purple. If that doesn't convince you, check out Gillan's Inn.
And Ozzy never had 'it' to begin with. Just a morbid voice that crawls through the motions. |
When you compare Dio's voice to the voices of his peers it's obvious it is Ronnie who rules. However, Gillan, Plant, Halford are not far behind. They really do a good job as far as vocals go. The only problem that some of the fans have is that G, P, H don't use the upper register as often as they used to. In fact Gillan's lost his falsetto (which undeniably was his trademark in the 70's), Plant's limited the agressive way of singing and Halford's upper tones are clearly not what they used to be. But those guys just try to adjust to the fact that they are not getting younger. Same with Ronnie: it is totally understandable that his voice isn't as clear as it was. The overall impression is that currently he has the best voice, when compared to other 'oldies'
Ozzy? OH, PLEASE. Not in the same league... |
-How are they Polish girls doing?
Ozzy is not really a singer, he is chanter. Not the worst out there, he can hold his own.
Plant is one of my favorites. That 80s stuff was awful. The first two solo stuff was good only because Phil Collins was on it. It has that Genesis back beet. Other than that, the Honey Drippers was a good project.
Irony is dozens of metal bands and other artists were imitating Plant, sounding like him as much as possible. Coming out with hits. Billy Squire, Great White, David Coverdale etc. (ok Coverdale has some originality to himself). Mean while Plant seemed uninspired.
Vivian Campbell wanted to jam with Plant one time before Leppard. Just think where that could have gone. |
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prefered Mark Farner to Robert Plant. Plant gets the credit for a lot of Copy cat singers, but if you listen to the bluesy soulful high end vocals of a lot of 80s hair bands, its not hard to hear the Farner influence more so than the Plant influence IMHO. Guys like Ray Gillen werent Plant imitators.
Oddly enough there werent enough guys out there imitationg RJD. I still dont get that. He has one of the most influential voices ever, but for what ever reason, you hear more copycats of guys like Plant, who by the way, I never really got. Sounded way to whiney for me. JB was great on the Drums though 
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For RJD influence: Iron Maiden took one listen to the medival dragon slaying vocals on Heaven and Hell and ran with it. Bruce D was not the original singer for Maiden.
Looking at the time line, Heaven and Hell 1980, Mob Rules 1981. Bruce made his first recording with Maiden in 1982 Number of the Beast. Iron Maiden's success came with Bruce D. They top the charts.
- Children of the Damned. hhhmmmm familiar song titles/writting.
- Same producer Martin Birch
Many Blackmore, Iommi, Campbell riffs and rythms can be heard in recodings that followed aswell. Another to compare is Two minutes to midnight (1984) riff sounds somewhat like Stand up and Shout (1983) only a little slower tempo.
To be fair to Maiden, RJD borrowed back from Maiden aswell. ie. Murry and Eddie. Iron Maiden was not a direct copy, they had many of their own ideas.
RJD borrowed the speed from Iron Maiden after seeing the hugh Maiden success and borrowed some of the vocal techniques from Bruce D. I know some of you guys are gonna say no way he borrowed back from Bruce's vocals but I believe RJD tweeked his voice a little. Compare Holy Diver vocals to any of his previous recordings.
- Egyption pyramids in both Maiden and Dio tours in the same year.
So there U have it. Who ever Maiden Influenced, is tied in with RJD. |
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