Funny how Karma works

NeonKnight2 · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 30

I like Karma. It's funny the stars we love so much just don't get it.

I mean here we are squabbling over this 'line up' and that 'time', and yet it's THEM who really have suffered.

Dio - I think we can all agree, he hasn't progressed beyond Last in Line. Oh, he has spun off a good record here and there but it has been a real pain not to mention completely inconsistant.

Ritchie - Blackmores Night has some merit, but really, listen to Ronnie and Ritchie and decide which has more staying power. And Rainbow after Ronnie? BAH!!

Viv - should I even get into this? Ok, NO ONE even knows who this guy is now outside of 'he used to play for Dio back when...' and even then people are like "Dio?"

Tony - I have suffered through so many Black Sabbath line ups that at the end my head spun around and I thought it was called Slab Babbath. Cross Purposes had a bright spot but.......... that was IT.

The Oz - ahh yes. And then there was one. He had by far the most lucrative run, but his stuff is really no better than most above, it just happens to have some commercial ZIP but is actually less sustaining than Dio's stuff. Miracle Man? Jesus. No thanks.

These people with bloated egos and self importance have really just shot themselves in the foot. IN a sad sad way, it just serves them right. It does bug me that Ozzy will be remembered as the Madman of metal but really hasn't done much since Randy died. We fans can reach back and listen to Mob Rules any time we want, but these people are going to have to live with the graves they dug... forever.

The Nomad · Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 56 Location: Ft. Bragg, NC

So what's your point? Are you trying to say Ronnie should have stayed with Rainbow or Black Sabbath...?

Or perhaps you're suggesting Ronnie, Ritchie, Viv and Tony all combine powers and form some sort of super group? Wink

Shania · Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 203

NeonKnight2 · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 30

Ah yes. My point. I thought it was quite obvious. The term 'quit while your ahead' comes to mind, but to explain fully; it's just an aire of discontent these people had while working together, but I wonder if they ever considered just how good they had it, while they were having it.

bristoldiofan666 · Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 167 Location: bristol ct

did'nt know sab had any albums after live evil cause dehumanizer sab was rons backup band imo

Big Brother · Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 32

Geckochameleon · Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 147

Hey Big Brother,

It's always a breath of fresh air (as opposed to the "hot" variety) when you post.

Just curious.....do you think that there are any "alter egos" in the above thread??

Methinks that there are at least two.
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Big Brother · Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 32

The Nomad · Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 56 Location: Ft. Bragg, NC

For the record, I like the post-Dio Sabbath albums. Tony Martin is so underrated.

NeonKnight2 · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 30

Don't know if that alter ego crack was an unnecessary jab at me, or even what it means for that matter.... but if you think any of the above named people went onto bigger and better things after working with each other then you're fooling yourself.

Maybe my comments have more to do with 'how and why' they left one another than 'when'. Leaving over 'level mixes' and such after creating something like Children of the Sea is just about the most childish and petty thing imaginable.

William_the_Bloody · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 66

There really isn't any bad karma going around, as per your thesis. When a band/solo act hits, it's because the time is right and the people are ready. Success is ALWAYS fleeting, no matter how humble the people involved might be. Each person mentioned above is just bloody lucky they were able to Rock so many for the time alloted them, and if they are able to Rock some more, then they haven't failed...not one bit.

-WTB

NeonKnight2 · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 30

William, your response doesn't take my last paragraph into account.

''Maybe my comments have more to do with 'how and why' they left one another than 'when'. Leaving over 'level mixes' and such after creating something like Children of the Sea is just about the most childish and petty thing imaginable.''

Being lucky and being a complete jack ass aren't the same thing.

EvilCheeseWedge · Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 25 Location: Ohio, USA

William_the_Bloody · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 66

Okay, well...being a writer/composer/recorder myself I can tell you what I've experienced:

I don't write them. I have nothing to do with the process except act as a muse's scribe. A truly great and memorable song is something that exists in the ether. It is looking for the right channel to make itself known to the world. Truly great songs like "Last in Line", I would argue, chose Dio and worked through him and those around him at that time. Pawns for the muse.

When we speak of these people having talent, we are speaking not just of their technical ability but their collective ability to allow the muse to work through them. A lot of people can sing, but can they create? A lot of people can play the guitar, but can they forge a riff?

When the muse leaves for a better channel, it *REALLY LEAVES*. I can tell you that after writing and recording about 15 songs I was personally empty. It's just what always happens. It's not about who is in what band or who is firing/hiring who.

In my case, I didn't hire or fire anyone. I wrote, sang, did guitar and bass and produced my demo with the aid of drum loops. In my case, I managed to come up with a handful of songs that are actually beyond my ability. Looking back, I can barely fathom how I managed to make them.

I have fallen into a rut that I now recognize as being similar to the Rut that RJD must've been in for a while. The one where the guitar stops being a melodic instrument and the lyrics are recycled self-parody. The one where the mind fails to create, but strives to imitate.

It's a natural decay of one's attunement with the muse. Every once in a while, it comes back, but most often it does not.

Unless you're Ozzy, then you just HIRE the muse and abuse the instrument.

-WTB

William_the_Bloody · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 66

Tony Martin is just okay. Sorry.

He's like some frankenstein combination of Dio and Coverdale.

You know, I think Iommi always wanted to sound like Deep Purple. Outside of Ozzy and Dio, his selection of vocalists was...well...kind of strange. Including Ian Gillen.

Gillen, Ray Gillan, Glen Hughes, Dave Walker and Tony Martin are all wierd choices for Black Sabbath and it's Material.

As an aside...call me strange but I sort of wish just once he would've went with a female vocalist. I mean, it couldnt've hurt at that point.

-WTB