Killing The Dragon - Dio's Worst Album?

[2handband]

[i][quote]since when has 'MELODY' influenced a riff..?..especcially a heavy rock riff...a melody is produced when all things in songwriting come together lyrics, arrangement and percussion...Dougs riffs are fantastic, upbeat, fast and lively. I suggest you listen to Dougs solo work, you maybe surprised. As for whitesnake, well, they don't seem to be doing so bad at the moment, and at least they are WRITING NEW MATERIAL and not relying on 25 year old stuff to fill arenas, furthermore Mr coverdales loyalty to whitesnake is to be applauded, after all he has turned down numerous offers of a DEEP PURPLE re-union, he obviously believes in his own band, unlike Ronnie.[/quote][/i]

A riff is defined literally as a short melodic phrase, usually played on the lower strings and repeated. A short melody. More than anything else, a riff is supposed to be memorable. It should stick in your head. Aldrich is upbeat, fast, and lively but his work with Dio and Whitesnake is rarely memorable (I admit I haven't heard his solo stuff). Notice the most memorable riffs on KTD (Push and Rock and Roll) are riffs Craig Goldy wrote. Aldrich's solos are like his riffs, lots of fast technical stuff and very little that actually sticks with you. Notice the way he feels the need to shred all over the classic Whitesnake solos. He absolutely butchered Micky Moody's lovely, melodic Love Ain't No Stranger solo.

As far as Whitesnake is concerned it's great that Coverdale wants to record and perform new material but I do insist that the standards be maintained. If an artist has proven himself capable of making great records than great records are the standard. Yes, i really do compare an artists new material to the "classic" stuff and expect it to measure up. Dio has managed to record two great records (MOTM and Magica) and one decent one (KTD) in recent years. So isn't it reasonable to expect excellence from the first Whitesnake record in a decade?

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[2handband]

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so in your opinion Master of the Moon was a great album..?..and whilst Macica has many fans it is too 'slow' for my tastes. When was the last DIO album ? was it nearly five years ago..?[/quote]

Why is "slow" such a problem? Nobody complains when Sabbath does something slow. MOTM is (for the most part) dark, complex, and intriguing. KTD is kind of fluffy and mundane by comparison; just by-the-numbers upbeat rock. Magica is just fucking brilliant.

[Holymagica]

stargazer
I am not gonna get into a debate with you about Doug....you know what I think about him....its all about personal taste at the end of the day.And I like the sound of heavy guitars,I am not a guitar player so I not sure how Doug sets up the way he plays maybe its just a case of light gauge strings I don't know but I don't like it.But I am with 2handband as regards the Classic Whitesnake songs.I don't like the way he plays them live

I got to laugh at your quote

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[Bobby66]

Didn't have the guts? You seem to forget that far more fans have turned out for HEAVEN & HELL than for the band DIO in years! That being said, I think it's obvious that Ronnie is indeed answering the call of the majority stargazer. Guts has nothing to do with this, He just didn't want to constantly be hearing some fool in the audience yelling Paranoid!
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Stargazer
You will find that DC has hired more folks into Whitesnake than Ronnie James Dio has with DIO.There has been more continuity with DIO than Whitesnake,lets be honest now DC ain't had a classic Whitesnake cd out there in over 20 years
Last one with any substance was when Sykes was in the band.
The new Whitesnake cd is DC's pension fund on the back of another over priced tour.

Ronnie has not said he will never do another DIO cd.We will get Magica 2 but there is other business to take care of first.
Just becoz its not called Black Sabbath it does not devalue the quality of their work together.
As for the music I like....most of my favourite bands are from the present...I will always be open minded to new music and bands.

Stargazer whats up with you, for the last few months now your posts have been so negative, you are turning into a grumpy old man.Just chill

[thecoop]

Killing the Dragon - hmmm. It has immediacy, but it tends not to stick with the listener. I don't mind the sound of the album - a lighter sound is not always a bad thing - I really like Sacred Heart (and that sounds very light) because of the songs on it - there are some real gems on there. The problem with Killing the Dragon is that some of the songs are nothing special. Shredding or plodding makes no difference - its the quality of the songs that count. Master of the Moon has some weak tracks on it, however if you stick your iPod on shuffle and one of them comes on, it stands well alone, whereas some of the songs on Killing The Dragon do not. Cold Feet I'm looking at you in particular. Even now as I type I can't remember how that song goes, only that I don't like it. Scream and Guilty are so predictable - from the opening riff you can see exactly what the chorus will sound like.

If this is a poor album it's due to poorer song writing. Nothing more.
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[2handband]

My question for Stargazer is as follows: do you like Black Sabbath? If the answer is yes than I fail to understand why slower songs are a problem for you. Most Sabbath songs are slow. So why complain when Dio does the same thing?

Criticism of Ronnie Dio is not necessarily a problem; for example I think KTD is a pretty weak album chock-full of boring, predictable songs. My only issue is that your big complaint about Magica and MOTM is the tempos. Lots of great metal is slow; why is it an issue in Dio's case? I keep asking this question and NOBODY seems able to supply an answer.

As far as Ronnie Dio's "loyalties" are concerned, he's doing what everybody else in the industry does, which means going where he can make the most money and play to the most people. I actually don't think going back to Sabbath is going to cost him any fans, especially considering that many of us feel that Sabbath is, was, and always has been a better band than Dio. And since when does changing the name to Heaven & Hell constitute a lack of balls? No matter what they say in the press, the main reason for the name change is so they don't have to play Paranoid and War Pigs.

Two things where Coverdale is concerned:
1) He'll make a lot more money fronting Whitesnake (since everybody else is just a hired hand) than he'd ever make by reuniting a line-up of Deep Purple that most of the public has completely forgotten about. It's not loyalty or balls, it's simple economics.
2) Since when was he offered an opportunity for a Mk III Purple re-union? I never heard about it. As far as i know Blackmore isn't interested in doing anything but playing acoustic pop with his wife.

[Holymagica]

stargazer
Get your arse over to the Ozzy forum .
They won't mind your criticism of Ronnie.
And just remember where you are.
I think your just here to wind up the fans and I will not have that
I don't see abuse from the members...they are just sharing their opinions with you.

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[Holymagica]

Stargazer all you do is criticize Ronnie.
You would not get away with this on the Whitesnake board and loads more boards.Hell on the Whitesnake board you got to have your nose always in the brown stuff.
Thats fine...you don't like Heaven and Hell so why be here if you don't like it when you know very well most fans of Ronnie embrace it.
Becoz no one agrees with you regarding Heaven and Hell, I believe your posts are now disrupting the forum and you are now annoying some of the members.I have just have to do a search with your posts and all you give us is nothing but negative comments.
You are repeatedly doing this.I am not gonna ban you.
I don't ban members becoz they demand it or 'deserves' it
I base my decision 100% on what is best for the forum.
Now please get back on topic.

[2handband]

Glenn Hughes insists that Blackmore and everyone else wanted to do a Mk III reunion, but I have NEVER heard that from anyone else (and others have blatantly denied it). And once again I'm sure you're aware that Whitesnake will make Coverdale a lot more money than a reunion of a relatively obscure DP lineup.

You still haven't answered my question: why is it okay for Sabbath to record slow songs and not Dio?

If you don't have the first six Sabbath records you're missing out. Sabbath is the ultimate metal band no matter who is on vocals.

I never heard anything about Aldrich being slated to record the follow-up to MOTM. Dio has been talking about Magica II for a very long time.

Aldrich himself has been quoted as saying that the slower tempos on Magica and MOTM has more to do with Ronnie Dio's preferences than Craig Goldy's playing. Dio deliberately set out to make a fast-paced album with KTD and most of the songs were already written when Aldrich got there; it would have been a fast-paced record no matter who was playing guitar. Ronnie Dio calls the shots, and Ronnie Dio LIKES the slow stuff.

Ritchie Blackmore doesn't believe in what he's doing, he's just pussywhipped.

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