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The Sentinel
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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: Will Dio ever hit gold status again? |
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"The RIAA certified Sacred Heart Gold (500,000 units sold) on October 15 1985. It is, to date, the last Dio album to achieve this certification."
Given this statement, can RJD ever release another album good enough to shift 500k copies???
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Well I think the public in general have turned away from Rock for the most part...which is sad. Now they drool all over...ack...cough cough (nasty taste in my mouth) rap music. Man now I gotta wash my hands. GOD I HATE RAP!!!!
I'll just refere to it as crap music from here on. Cuz to me that is all it is. It's not even music...just someone reading a bunch of words to the beat of drum machine. Hell I bet you could train a monkey to do that...lol Sorry if i offended anyone here...but I really would rather slide down a razor blade into a pool of iodine than listen to that stuff.
I think alot of people these days (present company excluded) just don't have the brain power to appreciate real music or something. I hear some of the stuff that they pass off for a song and there is just no structure to it. The lyrics are 3-4 words repeated for 3 minutes or so. Some of them think a bridge is something you drive over. It's just so sad to me. No dynamics. no feeling, no art.
Ok I turned this into a big rant...lol..sorry...I just take my music a bit too serious sometimes. Again I'm sorry if someone here likes rap or something...no offense intended.
I really would like to see Dio come out with a big long stream of 10x platinum albums...but I guess it really depends on people like us who buy them. That and how well it's promoted.
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| i would love to see something like that happen...Dio deserves it... |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hell yeah he does. The guy has been rockin since 58 for pete's sake. How many other rock singers can say that? Not many that I know of...in fact I can't even think of one at the moment.
If anyone can revive metal to it's former glory, it would have to be Dio. He knows his craft well. He was there even before it all began. It's totally possible because all it takes is that one song, that one line or riff that grabs people and sews the seed. History has shown that the music business is, if nothing else, totally unpredictable. A single song has launched the careers of untold numbers of bands. So I'm not giving up hope. Dio is still touring and working his ass off so as long as he is out there anything is possible.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| The Sentinel wrote: |
"The RIAA certified Sacred Heart Gold (500,000 units sold) on October 15 1985. It is, to date, the last Dio album to achieve this certification."
Given this statement, can RJD ever release another album good enough to shift 500k copies???
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It's not really a question of making an album good enough, it's whether or not the poppy, faddy, trendy people will listen to it, Judas Priest's Turbo is considered by most their worst album, but I believe it was one of their best-selling also- it was made in the late 80s and was very radio friendly and the only radio station 'we laugh at your religion, you people of the sand' will get on is one with listeners who'd probably buy the album anyway.
There are also so many more metal bands of all different extremes that it's going to be hard for any one of them to gain enough fans to rise to gold status, because people have so much choice.
I reckon albums like Rainbow Rising and Holy Diver, classics, will probably continue to sell gradually for years to come, so Dio can probably go gold again for his older albums (there was a topic about Sacred Heart probably going platinum recently), if not for any new ones, at least until there is some sort of classic metal revival.
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A nicely reasoned post, Jack.
Certainly with older albums being re-issued as "re-mastered and expanded" there is without doubt the opportunity for albums like "Rising" "Holy Diver" etc going gold of not platinum, but I whether the diversity of genres available these days would have an impact on a particular bands sales I'd personally question. It could be that "file sharing" amongst fans is a barrier to future gold as much as the available market.
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Holy Diver hasn't even got gold? hu how?  |
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DevinMacGregor
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I would like to reiterate something. It is not file sharing that is of any threat to gold status. It is CD sharing, that is the greater threat and always has been anyone burning copies for their friends. That happens far more than someone downloading it. No different than someone who made copies of their cassettes for friends.
Metal would have to have a much larger rise of exposure here in the US in order for Ronnie to obtain gold status as Dio. Didn't the Dio Years go gold? That was not due to young fans though but more than likely older Dio and older Sabbath fans. But then ask yourself, how can Black Sabbath, the Dio Years go gold when these are Dio fans as well but not buy Dio's solo album? How many of those Sabbath fans do not buy Dio albums but will go to a Heaven and Hell concert that again is not being billed as Black Sabbath? How many who bought the Dio Years were actually introduced to Sabbath from Ozzfest and bought the Dio Years to see for themselves since none were familiar with any Sabbath without Ozzy?
Metal is spread thin with a plethora of subgenres that were not beaten across our foreheads in the 80s. We have far more fans who are stuck at one subgenre and do very little cross over.
It is hard to sell an album that gets little air play if any and any video play if any. It is harder to sell an album that gets very little promotion. Before anyone puts up the flag of quality remember quality is in the eye of the beholder. No matter the album it has to get airplay, video play, as well as other promotions to sell it. You can sell crap to the public and they will love it and buy it. You can have a gem and if no one or very little know it exists you will not get the same sales. As well as having to leap over this rap metal fusion chasm we got in the 90s that many younger fans were exposed to and grew up to.
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Btw looks like "Live From Radio City Music Hall" received Gold too, Oct. 5 2007. So it might really not be that hard to get another gold recording.
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Aren't CD sharing and file sharing one and the same? What's the difference between my burning a cd copy for one person, and my uploading the cd to a file sharing site?
I uploaded a Saxon boot to a file sharing site and in the past year it's been downloaded about 300 times. I don't have 300 friends!!!! So which is worse? Cd sharing or file sharing?
Oh, and before someone jumps on that particular band-wagon, the boots I share aren't commercially available so I'm not denying Saxon any royalties.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Aren't CD sharing and file sharing one and the same? What's the difference between my burning a cd copy for one person, and my uploading the cd to a file sharing site?
I uploaded a Saxon boot to a file sharing site and in the past year it's been downloaded about 300 times. I don't have 300 friends!!!! So which is worse? Cd sharing or file sharing?
Oh, and before someone jumps on that particular band-wagon, the boots I share aren't commercially available so I'm not denying Saxon any royalties.
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LOL, because the majority that do file sharing go out and buy the music as well. It is only a select few who download and do not buy. And of that it is only a select few who download shitloads of music without buying.
Those studies have been done. As well as one discussing the fact to many younger fans getting a copy of the CD off a friend is not uncommon. Just like cassettes were passed around in the 80s. There was a UK article talking about it.
So gee hoss let's rip on online file sharing when the type I have been talking about has been going on for more than 25 some years because you got 300 hits.
And what bandwagon? Oh the one that you are ethical because you only put up boots that aren't available for sale even though technically they are all copyrighted songs and you do not have permission to distribute them? Do you mean that bandwagon?
Let's see if the same tracks were on the radio, Saxon would get paid for them each time they played. Each time you let someone download them they did not? Which is worse, someone taking a single incident and applying it to everything or someone acting ethical when they are not?
But wow you managed to find 300 still alive Saxon fans. Now imagine, 300 fans of a more popular group of today who have at least 3 friends each, that is potentially 900 copies given out. If we turned back the hands of time back to the 80s when Saxon was far more popular and had far more fans how many of those fans copied cassettes and passed them off to friends? I bet far more than 300 in any one year. RCs were happy when the CD ROM Drive came out because none of us could make copies with it. They were happy to see cassettes finally go because they did bitch about the ability to copy them because it was being done. When CD burners were coming out they bitched again.
You are focusing on a singular issue and that is the web has such a great capacity for mass distribution so therefor all music must be being done this way because you had 300 hits spanning over a year.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| You're right, sales are not representative of popularity anymore. |
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