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Which you prefer?
Strat
44%
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Les Paul
55%
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Strat vs. Les Paul (tone produced) Reply with quote

clean blues demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHb-PkyBb3A&feature=related

I should have said Strat vs. les paul for tone produced, not quality. They are both among the best for quality.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you mean stock Fender Strat vs. a Gibby LP, I'll take the LP hands down.

Put 22 frets,a Floyd Rose, and humbuckers in the Strat, and the LP will never leave the case....
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rainbowinthdrk wrote:
If you mean stock Fender Strat vs. a Gibby LP, I'll take the LP hands down.

Put 22 frets,a Floyd Rose, and humbuckers in the Strat, and the LP will never leave the case....


Just resently, Gibson announced they found a way to hollow out part of the body (to make lighter) and keep the same sound.

Also, Gibson are configuring the wiring in Les Pauls so that they will also include the Fender Stratocastor sound. You'll be able to from Les Paul to strat at flick of the switch.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want Strat sound out of an LP, I want an LP sound out of a strat... Check into Gibson's quality lately... It leaves a lot to be desired...

Get an LP with a Floyd, and make it AFFORDABLE, and I am there.. The LP's you see for under a grand are assembled in the US from foreign parts.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is another youtube jam where a guy plays dio and malmsteen. See if I can find it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't play but I like the sound and tone of Gibson Les Paul alot more than the Fender.
Whitesnake 1983 - Mel Galley Solo- Gibson Les Paul
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3rnNJ_MCA
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holymagica wrote:
I don't play but I like the sound and tone of Gibson Les Paul alot more than the Fender.
Whitesnake 1983 - Mel Galley Solo- Gibson Les Paul
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3rnNJ_MCA


I don't think that is the best example of LP tone out there, I think John Sykes has a much better one...

I do miss having one, I just don't miss carrying it...lol
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO: The sound that discribe a Les Paul sound is fat, big, round and a very forgiving if you make mistakes or sound sloppy on stage some nights. The sound of a Strat has more clarity and thinner sound that is more responsive.

The way I see it is someone who sings so dynamic, and their aren't so many who can, would be best matched up with the tone of a Strat. This way they are complimenting each other rather than walking over each other as what happens at times with the fat Gibson sound with a dynamic voice.
Most other singers are just the opposite and sing with the flow sort of speak. These less active singers work well with the fat Gibson sound. They do don't cross over each other's path.

Of course RJD is a dynamic singer with constant active energy. IMO the Strat is best suited for his singing.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

really long nick name wrote:
IMO: The sound that discribe a Les Paul sound is fat, big, round and a very forgiving if you make mistakes or sound sloppy on stage some nights. The sound of a Strat has more clarity and thinner sound that is more responsive.

The way I see it is someone who sings so dynamic, and their aren't so many who can, would be best matched up with the tone of a Strat. This way they are complimenting each other rather than walking over each other as what happens at times with the fat Gibson sound with a dynamic voice.
Most other singers are just the opposite and sing with the flow sort of speak. These less active singers work well with the fat Gibson sound. They do don't cross over each other's path.

Of course RJD is a dynamic singer with constant active energy. IMO the Strat is best suited for his singing.


Holy Diver was recorded with a Les Paul Standard. Charvel gave him his first strat shortly before they began recording Last In Line.

Les Pauls are fabricated from mahogany capped with maple. Both are heavy, dense tone woods and strats are made out of ash, alder, and other lighter woods. Gibson also installs humbuckers as opposed to Fender's single coil pickups (although Fender has as of late added some models with humbuckers). Single coil pickups tend to be thin and shrill, even more so when distorted or overdriven.

Strats are about 1 3/8 inch thick, and a Les Paul is closer to 2 inches at it's thickest point.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your opinion of Fender is thin and shrill and that's the way it sounds to U. However, Thin and shrill do not sound like worthy words to discribe a guitar that has stood the test of time and been part of thousands of classic rock blues and country songs since the 50s.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sound of a guitar is irrelavent, its the guitarist playing the thing that creates the sound. Most of the stuff we credit to the guitar comes in a pedal or proccessor. Does anyone really think Zakk Wylde gets his tone from a stock LP and Marshall. Agreat guitarist will make any guitar sound exactly how he/she wants it to sound.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is starting to remind me of the Beta VHS wars. I'm a beginning guitarist, after 30 years i finally got my own guitar, but I know down the road I will have to make a choice between Fender or Strat if I have the money. As far as I am concerned, both have such incredable pedigree that it's a wash. If I could afford it, I would get both. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VHS vs. Beta was a format war. The last war was HD conceding to blue-ray. These wars are short lived as they cannot go on 4ever. This is because in technology and business, there must be communication that agree with. We are communicating right now because a agreed protocal where pc to pc can send/receive info.
Strat and LesPaul is not a battle. All electric guitars fall into one of the two categories with variations.

The statement: that a great guitarist can make any guitar sound exactly how that person wants it to sound, I dont know if was ment by the players technique of playing or by altering the equipment. If technique was ment, then I would have to say that, that is just too romantic statement. Electric guitar sound is all about electronic circuits, substandard or quality electrical parts, boards etc. vacuum tubes, copper wire, quality of wood & crafting, and arrangement of wiring. Oh and celestian speakers.

However, all this does not necessarily make a good song. This is were the artistic part comes in. The creativity of the music takes its roll here.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard a story from Randy Bachman about a 59 Gibson found in the Katrina storm. The story goes like this: Many years ago, this kid wanted a Fender Strat and his father was paying for it. So they went to the music store, and most were Fender Strats. The father thought the kid should have something unlike everyone else has so he talked his kid into getting this Gibson that was in the same store. It was a rectangular shape. It was so unusual shape, the father bought it.

So they took it home and it stayed in the guitar case under the bed because the kid never played it. He told his father he really wanted a whammy bar. So the father sent the guitar to Gibson to have it fitted with a whammy bar two bolt holes remained from the bridge, so Gibson installed a bar across saying Gibson Custom.

However, the kid never played the guitar. Never got interested or what ever. The guitar remained under the bed. Years went by the kid moved away to college, the guitar was still under the bed. More years rolled, the guitar was still under the bed.

Katrina hit, the kid who is a adult of course now, went back to see the house damage from the storm. Total devistation. The house was demolished. There floating in the water, was the guitar case of the 59 Gibson. He opened it and it was perfectly dry. He knew it was worth money. He figured $40,000 to $60,000. So he called a auction house giving some details of the guitar and the guy said, What!? stay right where u are. Don't move. The guy from the auction dropped everything and took a plane to see the Gibson.
Too make a long story short, the 59 Gibson, fetched this guy a million point something dollars.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

really long nick name wrote:

The statement: that a great guitarist can make any guitar sound exactly how that person wants it to sound, I dont know if was ment by the players technique of playing or by altering the equipment. If technique was ment, then I would have to say that, that is just too romantic statement. Electric guitar sound is all about electronic circuits, substandard or quality electrical parts, boards etc. vacuum tubes, copper wire, quality of wood & crafting, and arrangement of wiring. Oh and celestian speakers.

However, all this does not necessarily make a good song. This is were the artistic part comes in. The creativity of the music takes its roll here.


The statement means that a guitar player of the higher caliber of course, has certain things he will do to any guitar to make it sound the way he wants. Has Eddy Van halens sound changed over the years even though he has changed guitarsand amps. Not really, because he uses certain electronics, effects, and most important his style of play. Sometimes we give credit to the guitar for the fat sound, but it is really how heavy the guitarist plays the strings. A guitarist who plays heavy will have that fat sound on a strat or an LP, thats all I'm saying.
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