The Art of Dio

[Holymagica]

Nick...I don't agree with you opinion on Iron Maiden,firstly you don't even mention ''Iron Maiden'' or ''Killers'',they did have huge success...without Bruce
Listen to the Soundhouse recordings....these where made without Martin Birch..to say Iron Maiden is influenced by Ronnie James Dio is wrong,the Soundhouse recordings where made in 1978/79 before ''Heaven and Hell''
In the late 70s New Wave of British Heavy Metal was born,now we all know that this era was developed becoz of the decline of early heavy metal bands such as Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath.

[really long nick name]

I left some particular info. My bad habit.
The success of killers and Iron Maiden was in the top 10 U.K charts. Still in bar band status. Maiden had not yet been successful internationaly. When Bruce got the call, they when to number 1 UK. Shortly after became well known everywhere.

I don't want to take anything away from Maiden. They have a lot of their own creations. They are not a direct copy. They were smart enough to make a decision and have the forsight to fire the original singer who was destructive to Maiden and himself.

"The release of Number Of The Beast was crucial to the development of the band. Without it, Iron Maiden might never have gone on to be such a force in the heavy metal arena." some metal magazine

[Holymagica]

Nick....Iron Maiden where not a ''bar band''there is misconception that without Bruce they would have not had success is rubbish,''Killers'' and ''Iron Maiden'' did have success in Japan,Germany,Sweden,Canada,USA,France,Norway,New Zealand and Australia.But the whole idea of NWOBHM was not to be mainstream.

You say that they are not original and where copying folks...but in your first post you said they where copying Ronnie James Dio,now its copying others...again...I don't agree with your opinion,Iron Maiden roots are from the Sound House in London,this place will always be the spiritual home of NWOBHM,around the UK we all had places like the Soundhouse,I spent my youth in the Edinburgh one,a small club on the top floor of the Edinburgh Playhouse.You also say that Ronnie James Dio was copying Iron Maiden and to say that by having familiar song titles is lame,what Heavy Metal bands don't have the familiar song titles
Iron Maiden's music back then was about energy and being young,bands like Deep Purple,Black Sabbath had lost this...thats how NWOBHM was born,to understand early Iron Maiden and the birth of NWOBHM you got to understand this is not about being mainstream,Iron Maiden early years existed mostly outside the world of the mainstream pop and rock culture,thats why they where part of the NWOBHM.Again to just toss away the first 2 Iron Maiden records as not having any meaning is just rubbish or no importance is wrong,without them...you would not have ''Number of the Beast''

[really long nick name]

U seem maybe a little offended about Iron Maiden statements.
No, no there is no way RJD copied song titles or writting style from Maiden. RJD is an outstanding writer.

I was careful NOT to use the word coping in the 1st & 2nd post because Maiden are very innovative. Maiden is a very good band. However I believe Maiden borrowed some of RJD's tools. His tools from Sabbath or other. I pointed out some of the similarities of the work that came out from both. In comparing time lines with their work, RJD's work came before Maiden's. Maiden's work preceded RJD's.

Bruce D Interview:
He said he left Maiden because "some what what he was doing was a parody of himself." When I mentioned to him that some the vocals on Skunkworks sounded a bit like the vocals on Samson, he agreed, saying he "wanted to get rid of the Pavrotti/Operatic stuff and wanted to sound a bit like the stuff I used to do before I joined Maiden." http://www.ram.org/music/articles/dickinterview.html

Bruce D interview:
Since returning to Iron Maiden, Dickinson has experimented with his voice, adopting a soft reflective sound for songs such as "Journeyman, " and "For the Greater Good of God," a raw rock style for songs like "Wildest Dreams," and a style much like Genesis era Peter Gabriel on "The Legacy." Urbandictionary.com

Now back to RJD; If you compare RJD vocals on his solo work to Sabbath. There is somewhat of a difference. I won't say he altured his vocals but he tweaked it a little to a more operatic direction.

So to use the tool analogy, there seems to be some collateraling that had taken place. Bruce borrowed RJD's rachet and added a socket. When Bruce gave back the racher, RJD then added an extention piece for the socket.

[Holymagica]

Nick...you don't seem to understand the Heavy Metal vocalist,Rob Halford,Bruce,Ronnie and loads more often sing in this vocal range,its not about copying,they all have the same style...its just part of the make up of Heavy Metal.
Little chances here and there and you get different genres

Of course...I am little offended...saying anything bad about Iron Maiden should be your one way ticket to the Bloody Tower of London

[really long nick name]

Well, feel free for another British Invasion.